IMC Reporter Kicked Out of Press Conference

There was a press conference called by Champaign Police Chief R.T. Finney on Friday, June 8, 2007 at 1 p.m. This was a chance for Finney to explain to the press, and to the public, what happened the previous night in Westside Park when three Champaign police officers were shot. The officers hurt included John Murphy, Jack Armstrong, and Shannon Bridges. They were shot by Donnell Clemons, a black man who was homeless and has a history of mental illness. He could frequently be seen walking around town mumbling to himself. Officer Bridges was shot in the shoulder and a bullet pierced her left lung, but is stable. Donnell Clemons is in critical condition. I walked into the press conference which was full of members from the local press. I sat down next to Steve Bauer of the News-Gazette and we said “hello” to one another. I got out my pencil and paper to take notes. I was then approached by Troy Daniels, Deputy Chief of the Champaign Police Department, and asked to step out of the room. At the back of the room, I told Daniels that I was a member of the press. Chief R.T. Finney then stepped up and told me I was not a legitimate member of the press. He said, “I choose who I want to talk to.” I told him he could call Rene Dunn, assistant to the chief of police for community services, to confirm that I was indeed a member of the press. Finney said, “Rene Dunn works for me.” Rene Dunn was hired in early March to handle the press. I spoke with her several times after the March 30 incident where Champaign police sent a 17 year-old black youth to the hospital. She then verified that I was a member of the press. I was given access to the police blotter. Dunn gave me her card and she has been very forthcoming in answering my questions. I talked to Dunn on the phone after the press conference and she told me it was not in the wishes of the chief that she grant me press credentials. Dunn said it was “my mistake.” I asked her if Champaign supported freedom of the press. She did not answer my question. Troy Daniels and another officer escorted me out of the press conference like a common criminal. As we were standing outside, I had the opportunity to thank Daniels for fulfilling my FOIA requests. He has completed two of my FOIA requests that I had requested back in February. On March 1, 2007, I met personally with Chief Finney and Trisha Crowley about my FOIA requests. I told them I was a journalist for the Public i newspaper and the Urbana-Champaign Independent Media Center. They questioned my about my intentions and agreed to answer my FOIA in an amended form. Crowley sent me a fee waiver form to complete as a member of the press, which I signed and returned. Despite Finney’s attempt to control the press conference, one tough question was asked by a reporter for conservative radio station WDWS 1400. He asked, “When the officers approached the man, did they say anything to him, was there any contact with him that may have, or could have, provoked this shooting?” Finney replied with contempt, “Provoking someone shooting us is an absurdly ridiculous question.” I was kicked out of the press conference because, as an independent media journalist, I have been consistently asking tough questions of Chief Finney and the Champaign Police Department. Finney reacts as if all questions of his department are “absurdly ridiculous.” If the Champaign police department was to have its way, the local press would simply reprint their press releases. As Chairman Fred Hampton, Jr. says, “We’ve got freedom of speech – so long as you don’t say the wrong thing.”

Officer Shannon Bridges

We also have it confirmed that it was Champaign police officer Shannon Bridges who was primarily involved in the beating of the 17 year-old black youth in Douglass Park on March 30. She was also the officer who first approached Donnell Clemons. BD

Confirmed how?

Is that what the kid told you? Did Bridges's report say "And then I set about to beating up the suspect."? Just wondering. Also wondering how long I'll have to wait to get your answer.

The Importance of Independent Media

Apparently, Chief Finney believes he has the right to stage manage the press to his satisfaction. This sort of behavior by the police chief calls into question both his personal maturity and his fitness to serve as a police chief in a democracy with a free press. It also points out how stage-managed and embedded most of the dominant media coverage of law enforcement is in our community. Incidents like this serve as a reminder to other journalists to keep to throwing softball questions or otherwise risk losing their own access. Finally, it points out just how important the independent media is to getting a more complete picture of what goes on in our community out to the public.

Finney, Past and Future

I've read several things about Finney's tendency to continue climbing up in various law enforcement bureaucracies for seemingly unfathomable reasons, i.e. not related to any particularly outstanding performance. Has anyone else noticed how Finney looks a little like Vladimir Putin, the ex-KGB agent who now is the Russian strongman. With the mayor's personal health questionable -- let alone his "leadership" in community health -- maybe Finney is sizing up his chances for a mayoral run in Champaign with his tough guy attitude toward the free press. A series of paramilitary mayors would be consistent with the general commitment to democratic process and values on the west side of Wright St.

I agree

Finney optimizes on advancing his position within the bureaucracy, not on serving the needs of the community. The guy is a smug jackass. Too bad he didn't respond to the call - he's the most expendable individual in the department.

Putin?

No way, RT Phoney doesn't look like Putin. Putin is in good shape. Finney is a friggin' weeble.

No

Finney screwed up. He should be reasonable even if he is in a bad mood. C'mon - the guy carries a gun. You want someone carrying a gun who can't control himself when he's upset?

Manipulate The Media = Control The Message

Comparing Chief Finney's "handling" of the media during the Douglass Park Pepper Spray/Beating of the black youth (who remains criminally charged for aggravated battery of a police officer despite it was the youth who needed hospitalization) where every obsification was made to duck and cover from scrutiny in that case; to these cop shootings where the media was summoned to Gotham City Headquarters that very night for a full briefing....it would seem there is a reason Finney now wants the media involved. Why all the urgency to talk to the media with this case? Finney's Bill of Rights declare The Chief of Police has the right to select which media he is willing to appear in. "I choose who I will talk to" sounds legitimate and probably is, though it reveals much about why Chief Finney chooses to talk to the media and what he expects the media to do with the information he provides. (Note that no media outlet will be allowed to see the police reports in this case.) Whenever the State's Attorney, The Chief of Police, and the Deputy Chief of Police decide to break the law and violate Supreme Court Rule 415(c) by releasing pre-trial discovery material of Mr. Clemons' guilt to all the television stations, all the radio stations, and all the newspapers of the county so all the potential jurors will "understand better"; you can bet at least $1 there is a message law enforcement wants to get out to the public right away. Brian Dolinar's reporting goes against the grain of that message and it has been a study in immaturity how law enforcement officials have reacted to the slightest bit of criticism or accountability. While law enforcement wants to appear open and accountable by opening the floor to questions from the media, those questions can't be disruptive to the flow of the official message. Hence, potential questions from Brian Dolinar had to be removed from the room first. So what is the message law enforcement wants us to know about these three officers getting shot by a mentally ill person?

What are the Chances?

What are the Chances? If Champaign County has 40,000 traffic tickets and 5,000 criminal cases a year, and the Champaign Police Department handles something like 20,000(?) 30,000(?) incidents a year..... and compare that to how many times officers have really been shot at in this county,.... ....what are the real statistical probability an officer could be shot working in this area?

The chance for the 3 shot

The chance for the 3 shot Thursday night were 100%

I can hardly blame Chief

I can hardly blame Chief Finney for his action. I would have thrown out Dolinar as well. It's certainly not unconstitutional. While the IMC has the right to say whatever it wants, there is no guaranteed right for how it obtains that information. Considering that all the IMC ever does is relentlessly attack local governments and officials, the police chief's move was a pretty predictable one. This brings me to a major point. Brian, you catch more flies with honey. Issues of peace and social justice are very important for all of us. None of us can count on what should be guaranteed rights when even one person, no matter their criminal history or state of mental illness, has theirs violated. Brian, don't you think you would be advancing the cause of peace and justice further by being less confrontational and trying harder to work with local authorities and agencies? Your rhetoric and stance are a real turn off. The work you are trying to do is worthwhile, noble and important, but you are defeating yourself by constantly attacking. Work with the system to change it and accomplish your goals, not against it. By always attacking, you cause everyone to be defensive and that will never foster real change. best of luck, pb

Freedom of the press? Let's

Freedom of the press? Let's see - how many UC-IMC reporters have been jailed for what they publish? None? Sounds like freedom of the press to me. Press conferences with public officials have always been to selected members of the press. Not everyone. I doubt the CPD really has a problem with having an IMC reporter being present - just BD. I'm curious, of the reporters that were allowed into the press conference, how many have been thrown out of city council meetings in the past few months? Like someone said earlier, your reputation might be the problem here, not the CPD's policies.

Newsflash: pb volunteers to become Indy reporter

"The work you are trying to do is worthwhile, noble and important,..." Then pb, why don't you volunteer to write the stories? It doesn't have to be Dolinar all the time. If you know how to do this better, please help the Public I and write your own stories. Or.....would you be kicked out too because law enforcement officials don't consider you a "legitimate" news outlet? "Become defensive"? Why would officials become defensive? They don't have anything to hide, correct?

sorry anonymous, no can

sorry anonymous, no can do. I am an independent contractor who frequently works with county and local governments and writing for the public i would unfortunately conflict with that. If my situation was different I might be interested in it, but at this time it's just not a reality. pb

The Depth of Research so far....

To get this story, Local media have so far relied on: 1) the police scanner to hear the call 2) a few "ear" witnesses 3) a janitor from across the street 4) Officials calling press conferences 5) Old News-Gazette articles 6) the Circuit clerk's website .....thus we have only learned that Clemons is black, has two prior convictions for gun-related incidents, lived in his car, and fired the first shots at the officers. Conspicuously absent from the accounts are what everyone in Downtown Champaign already knows..... ....Clemons is likely to be mentally ill. Oh wait, that only gets pulled out when a wealthy psychologist from Cherry Hills stabs her two children- one to death- with a kitchen knife. (Fineberg, 2003) Before Mayor Jerry swaggers before city council to revisit the Taser issue, before the CPD justifies why they need to be more aggressive with black males on the street in the name of officer safety, before we pass an Anti-Car-Living Ordinance, we better have a comprehensive social policy for these crazed housewives in suburban Champaign. For the conservative literalists out there who don't comprehend metaphor, the point is: this tragic incident is an extremely rare one, has its roots in the mentally ill's perception of law enforcement nowadays, and does not require throwing out the U.S. Constitution and civil rights, does not require classifying certain kinds of people as always dangerous, does not justify increased police budgets and patrols, does not justify giving an officer a taser, and does not justify tighter gun-sale regulations. This is a random, once-in-a-couple-of-decades event, and cannot be predicted nor prevented by anyone. It's sad to see the police department and the state's attorney use this tragedy for publicity purposes to further some agenda for more jails, more police, and more imaging for future re-election campaigns. Do we really need Rietz to tell the public Officer Bridges was shot above her vest? Please. Hey Julia, the cameras are pointing at the Uben gym today, better get over there to comment on the basketball recruits too. Watch this thing go political to beat back the Civilian Review Board idea. According to Finney, those brave heroes who got shot to protect me should instill in all of us a deep reverence for the police and we should quit our questioning, quit demanding the U.S. Constitution be followed, believe every police report is completely true, and know that never never do these human police officers ever ever screw up or lose their tempers out there or carry a bias. Oh boy. It is stuff like this that created the Three Strikes laws in California.

I completely agree with you

I completely agree with you that this is a bizarre, isolated incident and should not be used to further any political goals. But this holds true for both sides (as you alluded to with your gun-control issue). This event shouldn't be used as an example of police brutality, racial profiling, police dealings with mentally ill individuals, police relations with the homeless, etc.

Here's an interesting thing:

Here's an interesting thing: BD went to the press conference, arguably to gather information about the story. So, where's the story? There are other sources besides the press conference (e.g., press releases, interviews with witnesses or area residents, other media sources), yet there's no story about the event. If BD were so set on getting information to write a story, I'd like to know what happened to it. So far, there's an introductory paragraph vaguely describing events, and then many paragraphs talking about BD's suffering over the incident. Is he the real victim in a shooting that left four people wounded and in the hospital?

In Which Car Do I Find A Gunman?

To Anon 7:29a.m.: I don't see how this event with Clemons could ever be described as an example of police brutality, ect.... the call came in as a man in a car showing a gun to a citizen. It's kind of surprising officers were so casual in deciding to walk toward cars in the area. Did the 21-year veteran Deputy Chief Murphy come up with this idea to start approaching cars to see who had a gun? What led to the officers being shot at more than anything (besides Clemons' deranged state of mind) was the incomplete information METCAD gave the officers. Officers did not know where the car was or which car it was when they arrived at the scene. The dispatcher should have elicited that information first. Perhaps they did, but the caller hung up or something. Whatever the reason,... officers were left wandering up to cars to inquire where a gunman in a car might be found. Horrible strategy and put the officers in grave danger. Had the three officers known that it was that particular silver car where the man with a gun was located, it's easily imagined officers would have never walked out into the open like that, exposing themselves quite the same way. But Chief Finney doesn't portray the event as a miscommunication that exposed his officers, does he? No, the incident is being used to remind the public that there exists this all-encompassing, nebulus, everywhere, anyday-it-could-happen danger that only police officers face. (in fact, 99% (?) of all gun shots are aimed at us civilians) So, it's agreed, Anon 7:29a.m., let's not start fiddling with the rulebook or policy manual to "make sure this never happens again." I doubt a new rule or procedure or new toy or more officers on the street is going to stop anyone of us from snapping out. The quality of most of the political leadership in this town, however, is reactionary, prejudicial, and exploitive. You can't help but wonder how this incident with a mentally ill person is going to be used to "do something".

Clarification

"What led to the officers being shot at more than anything (besides Clemons' deranged state of mind) was the incomplete information METCAD gave the officers. Officers did not know where the car was or which car it was when they arrived at the scene. The dispatcher should have elicited that information first. Perhaps they did, but the caller hung up or something... Had the three officers known that it was that particular silver car where the man with a gun was located, it's easily imagined officers would have never walked out into the open like that, exposing themselves quite the same way." They almost certainly did know. Clemons and his car have been a fixture at West Side Park for over a year. If you'd said "West Side Park" and "silver hatchback", anyone familiar with the place would know exactly the car you were talking about. "Whatever the reason,... officers were left wandering up to cars to inquire where a gunman in a car might be found. Horrible strategy and put the officers in grave danger." There was no reason because it didn't happen that way. "You can't help but wonder how this incident with a mentally ill person is going to be used to 'do something'." My personal guess is, it won't be "used" to do much. But that's not nearly as much fun as a new conspiracy theory, is it?

Get Real!

So, BD, if I'm sitting on a park bench in West Side Park, and you come jogging along, and you "provoke" me, say with your lack of basic intelligence, I have the right to jump up and yank a pair of six-shooters out of their holsters and chase after you with guns-a-blazin'? Aren't you even slightly concerned about the danger an ARMED, deranged, homeless man obviously posed to the neighborhood people, children, and pets, say nothing of the schools in the immediate vicinity? Duh-h, doesn't VTI, Columbine, etc. ring a bell with you?!! No doubt if the police had attemped to deal with this in a pre-emptive fashion by detaining and searching this nutcase you would have been screeching to high heavens about violating his civil rights. Let's be brutally honest. You socialist/anarchists are so warped with your frothing hatred of any kind of democratically-installed societal structure and authority you have long ago forfeited any right to participate in any meaningful community dialog. Why don't you all get the hell out of C/U and go establish your neo-marxist utopia someplace else.

No.

Say what you will about socialism and anarchism. As LEAST they're coherent views of the world. I'm not even sure they've got that much.

Freedom of Speech doesn't mean anything goes

I believe we really need to be careful about making comments regarding the concept of Freedom of Speech and Press. Historically this is something that evolved from the concept that a citizen can form an opinion and be critical of government without being penalized or accused of treason. This same freedom gives the media the right to exercise editorial decisions regarding the content that is published or posted. What Illini Pundit chooses to do, or not as some posters have pointed out, is really not the concern of the IMC. Any message board that has posting policies has the right to enforce those guidelines. This does not violate the 1st Admendment rights of posters who may have comments hidden. Neither do I think it's appropriate to confuse the shootings in West Side Park with the fact that a writer for the 'Public I' was escorted out of a press conference. If we as citizens choose to remain silent while public servants are allowed to decide who is, and isn't a member of the press that can set a dangerous precedent. Just as the IMC has no right to tell Illinipundit what to do the police department does not have the right to tel the IMC what to write or publish. By having BD escorted from the press conference Finney was absolutely out of line. What next - will a student reporter from the Daily Illini be barred from attending press conferences? As for what happened in West Side Park - No Comment.

Yeah, why would you comment

Yeah, why would you comment on something as boring as a shooting, when there are crucial issues involving Brian here. "If we as citizens choose to remain silent while public servants are allowed to decide who is, and isn't a member of the press that can set a dangerous precedent." Can it now? So, if I wrote a weekly newsletter in my basement, accusing goverment officials of being reptilian aliens in disguise, and then dumped a stack of them in public libraries and places like that, I'd be a member of the press, right? I'd have just as much right to hassle government officials as Brian does. Or, what about a guy who publishes a white supremacist newspaper out of his house? This guy, obviously, should be allowed to show up to every press conference in town, don't you think? Matter of fact, why don't I do that? I'll go over to my neighbor's house, ask him how he's doing, print off a sheet of paper that says "Area Man Reports Being OK", then dump a bunch of copies of it off at the library. Then I'd be a member of the press, right, and get to show up at every press conference in town. That'd be fun, wouldn't it? "Just as the IMC has no right to tell Illinipundit what to do the police department does not have the right to tel the IMC what to write or publish." You're right. And they didn't. Nobody's stopping them from writing whatever they want. Just like nobody's stopping the reptilian conpiracy theorist guy. They're only telling him he can't show up to every press conference he wants to. "What next - will a student reporter from the Daily Illini be barred from attending press conferences?" That depends. If the student reporter in question has a history of showing up to City Council meetings, being disruptive, and eventually thrown out, then probably so. Maybe if the UCIMC had some reporters who didn't do that kind of stuff, they wouldn't have gotten kicked out.

Independent Citizen Journalists Have Same Rights as Any Others

The Electronic Frontier Foundation has supported Indymedia at several points in its existence. In fact, UC IMC was peripherally involved in suing the federal government to force it to return Indymedia servers that it had ordered seized in the UK and to unseal documents withheld by the government in this case: http://www.eff.org/Censorship/Indymedia/ EFF attorney and Equal Justice Works/Bruce J. Ennis Fellow Kevin Bankston stated "As far as the Constitution is concerned, Indymedia has the same rights as any other news publisher. The government can't shut down the New York Times, and it can't shut down Indymedia." The harddrives were returned after 5 days, but the precedents created and the solidarity shown by a number of international journalist's organizations established that an Indymedia reporter has essentially the same rights as any other journalist: http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2004/11/300886.html Since many of the negative comments (not to mention the trolling) has been inspired by a local blog, perhaps these detractors should understand that in attacking BD, they are also essentially shooting themselves in the foot over their own rights. Fortunately, Indymedia and the EFF have been supportive of the rights as journalists of bloggers: http://www.eff.org/bloggers/lg/faq-journalists.php Furthermore, Chief Finney's expulsion of a working journalists from a press conference is treading on dangerous legal ground: http://www.eff.org/bloggers/lg/faq-mediaaccess.php Specifically, "Government agencies are prohibited from deciding arbitrarily whether you are entitled to a press credential, and are required to publish the standards used...For example, a federal court determined that Consumer Reports was unconstitutionally denied access to the Congressional press gallery based on "arbitrary and unnecessary regulations with a view to excluding from news sources representatives of publications whose ownership or ideas they consider objectionable." The City of Champaign excludes working journalists from its public meetings and press conferences at its legal peril, whether they are BD, other IMC reporters, or any other members of the press, whether they like their views, attitudes, opinions, or questions -- or not.

This has nothing to do with

This has nothing to do with whether they like his views, attitudes, opinions, or questions. It only has to do with BD's habit of making an ass of himself in public. Why can't you get this through your thick skulls?

Then to Be Fair

If "making an ass of oneself in public" is the problem, then there is at least one troll here who persists in obsessively attacking BD who has an even thicker skull than he does. I don't think asking public servants pointed questions is "making an ass of oneself" -- BD is just doing the work that other journalists are too lazy, too complacent or too intimidated to do. A free press was never intended to spend all it's time cozying up to power and privilege -- but some apparently think that is what is it supposed to do. So did Stalin. BTW, it is unfortunate that anyone was injured. Claiming BD is "an ass" doesn't help that at all.

Marti, I think you may be

Marti, I think you may be misunderstanding "Freedom of the Press". "The Press" is not a separate entity within the citizenry. There is no distinct legal class known as the Fourth Estate. "The Press" as written in our constitution means the act of publishing. Freedom of the Press means the right of the citizenry to publish. As enshrined in the Constitution and maintained and interpreted by the USSC, this is how it is. Those who write and publish do not have a separate set of rights that they can live by. Those are rights that are held by all Americans. If you step back from the situation a little and re-examine the facts, the police department did not tell IMC what to write or publish. What they did was to remove Brian's ability to ask questions. The IMC can still write and publish whatever it wants, it will just have to get the information elsewhere. Brian being removed from the press conference was a reflection on Brian, not the IMC or Chief Finney or the CPD. pb

BD was kicked out for not being "a member of the press"

or that at least was the reasoning of the Champaign Police Department at the time of the press conference. The decision to remove Brian was frankly wrong and if it's based on personalities then that is simply unprofessional. Additionally exactly how have government officials and public servants been hassled? Asking tough questions is not harassment and when public servants consider themselves to be immune to scrutiny they can no longer be effective. As for my decision to not comment on what happened around West Side Park I have my reasons for not doing so. I will say this: I do not condone or support violent actions towards the police or suspects if it can be avoided. While I may not always agree with law enforcement I do have respect for the people who put themselves at risk.

This is off-topic, but...

The colorful logos for delicious, digg, google, and technorati are really really tacky. Can they be suppressed?

I've Got an Inquiry In On That Right Now

The blog tags popped up undiscussed and unannounced. There are significant privacy issues and commercial use issues associated with these things. Besides, Indymedia is not a blog, so they are both a distraction and an invitation to unwanted blog-style posting behavior.

Correction

"That depends. If the student reporter in question has a history of showing up to City Council meetings, being disruptive, and eventually thrown out, then probably so. Maybe if the UCIMC had some reporters who didn't do that kind of stuff, they wouldn't have gotten kicked out." If you will re-examine some of the video footage from the Champaign city council meeting Tuesday Apr 3, 2007 you'll see it was Martel Miller, not myself, who was escorted out by Finney and the Mayor. BD

Has violence solved the problem yet?

BE, peace. Let me start by saying that CUCPJ is a NON-VIOLENT grass-roots organization and we condemn acts of violence in all forms. A broader definition of violence may be needed, but to be sure, we do not support individuals who were rummaging through trash cans being killed, or dying, while being "subdued" by officers. Nor do we wish to see officers shot, injured, or killed by other citizens (mentally disturbed or not). We know violence is not the answer. My prayers are for the speedy recovery of the officers and for the proper help for the shooter. If heroin, crack/cocaine, weed and Meth are illegal because of the damage they might cause to the public then why are guns, alcohol and cigarettes legal? We don't want our population saturated with drug users and dealers and we definitely don't want children to be affected by access to them. Where do they get the guns from? Where does a homeless and mentally challenged person get one from? What about a war on guns and drugs that locks up the manufacturers of them instead of the poor and mis-educated who use them ignorantly? I know this is challenging to those who have raped, robbed, murdered and mis-educated folks everywhere that they have gone on the planet, but it's starting to look more and more like the invention of guns that has led to WMD, will be our downfall, afterall. Events like the shooting of the police officers in our small county is an eye opener to the "guards of the system". When people are poor, desperate and confused it leads to crime, violence and a lack of compassion that has no moral code. WHEN this happens the "guards of the system" the police officers, the soldiers are sent in to the hostile territory to do their masters bidding, to protect the gains of the elite because when it is all said and done, like the guards at Attica and the soldiers in Iraq, they are expendable to! I have been and will continue to appeal to the essence/spirit of everyone I come in contact with in Champaign county and elsewhere. The real driving force behind CUCPJ has always been to build bridges of communication; and through empowerment of the citizenry, bring accountability to systems and the people that run them. It is a shame that all of the work we have done to accomplish these lofty goals is being scoffed at by those who have mistakenly perceived our actions as anti-police or anti-government. It is not anti-government or police to suggest, ask for, strongly encourage and then demand transparency of OUR government. Contrary to prior belief, "Renee Dunn works for you and I and so does Chief Finney". These are trying times for the CPD (Eaves dropping scandal, Douglass Center abuse of Teen, officers Shot )..... UPD (Hjort and the lack of investigation in the Patrick Thompson case)..... Sheriff's Dept (6 "suicides" and EX- Sgt. Myers torturing of inmates)....... States Attorney's obvious and not so obvious conflicts of interest: dropping one charge against Thompson and keeping the other, prosecuting an inmate in the county jail and at the same time paying him under the table because he's going to sue the sheriff's dept that she has to defend as the SA....... Judge Difanis telling a citizen with a drug addiction that she is a hopelss junkie and that the only thing positive about her is that she was fertile and able to bring children in to the world. What do you do when your ELECTED/SELECTED officials refuse to hear your proposals? You try to work with them. If they refuse? Then you run against them or work to remove them while finding someone to replace them. Isn't that the Democratic process? Isn't that a government of the people, by the people and for the people? Finally, It is a fact that murder is designed to hide the truth! Character assisination is intended to be a social/political form of murder. Why so much resistance to a CPRB, to taping police actions and a lil' ole reporter from the lil' ole IMC (who has press credentials that Chief Finney himself has signed off on) having access to the same info and the same people that the rest of the media has access to? I guess as the dollar falls and civil liberties are snatched away the spirit and the law of the constitution can't help but to follow. BE, just.

You know what?

Say what you will about this comment. It is the ONLY one on the WHOLE PAGE that expresses concern over the officers who got shot. That has to stand for something.

Incomplete METCAD Information

Careful review of the press conferences on June 7, 2007 and June 8, 2007, and both News-Gazette articles, reveals:........ Officers did NOT know where and what to look for when they answered the call. My concern for the officers is that they were given incomplete information by METCAD. Officers did not know where the car was, did not know which car it was that had the gunman. That's why they were left walking in front of a deranged psychotic with only a vest on- no guns drawn. "Man has a gun in Westside Park" does not give officers much to work with. Finney admitted that all three officers were approaching Clemons' car to ask him if he had seen anything. That's why their guns weren't drawn, that's why Clemons had the jump on them. This does not put blame on the police for what happened. It just goes to show that when people dial 911, they should stay on the line with the dispatcher to give all the information they can. I assume the dispatcher was trying to get that information before sending the officers out. Consider too, that Finney said that the department in general knew of this man living in his car for two years and Clemons had never before been a problem for police. Police had little reason to suspect they were walking in front of bullets by approaching Clemons' car. As for telling a certain person of the press to leave a press conference, it is totally unacceptable. Preventing Brian Dolinar from making an "ass" of himself at a press conference is not the Chief's job. He called an open press conference to all the media to answer questions. Like the Chief did with some of the questions asked at the press conference, Finney could have easily declined comment if he found one of Dolinar's questions out of line. But no, Finney already had in mind how he felt the press conference should go, and it was interesting that Finney scoffed at WDWS's radio reporter Patrick Pinkston when Pinkston asked if police provoked the conflict. It was a reasonable question in light of the recent Douglass Park incident. Finney was in no mood for any other narratives other than the one he wanted the press to know. Finney called Pinkston's question, "...ridiculously absurd...." Perhaps Finney will now ban WDWS's Patrick Pinkston for his daring insolence? Maybe Finney should ban the WILL-AM580 radio reporter who couldn't remember the name of the officers? How about Finney banning the TV babe who kept asking the same question over and over? I guess President George Bush can follow Finney's lead and review the publications represented in the White House press pool and kick those out who have been critical of the war, eh? If this case is a big deal, and perhaps it should be, then why are the explanations for how the shooting happened so shallow, so uninformative? "Police were shot at because a black, homeless man, (see, here's his picture on the N-G front page courtesy of the Sherriff's department) with a history of two gun-related convictions, shot first at police, so there: see how dangerous police work is? Shouldn't you all be grateful for what the police do?" That's the narrative Finney wanted the press to come down to his office and report on. Finney shouldn't call press conferences nor open the floor to questions if wants the story to go a certain way.

You see, this is

You see, this is investigative journalism. Rather than figuring out what ulterior motives exist, or who's conspiring with whom, you're looking at the source of the problem. You're not even placing that much blame on METCAD or the RP. You're just investigating where the system broke down to see how this can be prevented in the future. Kudos. I'd imagine that the new MDICE system for METCAD should help a little with incidents like this one. Having tons of talkgroups, clearer transmissions (I've been listening to their tests - it's amazing), and improved radio control by METCAD should be able to increase the amount of information given over the radio, without law enforcement or dispatch worrying about making transmissions greater than 2 seconds. Now, when dispatch has the RP on the phone, they can relay all seemingly mundane information to the officers on the scene.

Yes, this is good.

I agree with the previous commentor. The story about the police not knowing that Clemons had a gun makes sense. I thought that the police were called on Clemons himself, due to him having a gun, but apparently, it was someone else who was the basis of the original complaint. I also agree that, if Finney had not wanted to answer impertinent questions from BD, he would have simply ignored him. This leads me to believe that he wasn't ejected because of his views. Possibly, it was because of his past behavior. If it is because Finney feels BD is not a reputable journalist, it could be because he feels that there may be some credibility issues with BD or the IMC. It appears that BD's press credentials have been revoked. The problem now seems to be determining how press credentials are granted, and what the requirements to obtain press credentials are. Does anyone know where this information could be found?

Reporter Arrested on Orders of Giuliani Press Secretary

Reporter Arrested on Orders of Giuliani Press Secretary: Charged with Criminal Trespass Despite Protest of CNN Staff and Official Event Press Credentials at GOP Debate in New Hampshire Jones Report http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/050607_reporter_arrested_giuliani_or... Manchester, NH Freelance reporter Matt Lepacek, reporting for Infowars.com, was arrested for asking a question to one of Giuliani's staff members in a press conference. The press secretary identified the New York based reporter as having previously asked Giuliani about his prior knowledge of WTC building collapses and ordered New Hampshire state police to arrest him. Jason Bermas, reporting for Infowars and America: Freedom to Fascism, confirmed Lepacek had official CNN press credentials for the Republican debate. However, his camera was seized by staff members who shut off the camera, according to Luke Rudkowski, also a freelance Infowars reporter on the scene. He said police physically assaulted both reporters after Rudkowski objected that they were official members of the press and that nothing illegal had taken place. Police reportedly damaged the Infowars-owned camera in the process. Watch the whole unbelievable episode here: http://img.youtube.com/vi/VOerYpJse30/2.jpg Reporters were questioning Giuliani staff members on a variety of issues, including his apparent ignorance of the 9/11 Commission Report, according to Bermas. The staff members accused the reporters of Ron Paul partisanship, which press denied. It was at this point that Lepacek, who was streaming a live report, asked a staff member about Giuliani's statement to Peter Jennings that he was told beforehand that the WTC buildings would collapse. Giuliani's press secretary then called over New Hampshire state police, fingering Lepacek. Though CNN staff members tried to persuade police not to arrest the accredited reporter -- in violation of the First Amendment, Lepacek was taken to jail. The police station told JonesReport.com that Lepacek is being charged with felony criminal trespass. Lepacek did receive one phone call in jail which he used to contact reporter Luke Rudkowski. According to Rudkowski, Lepacek was scared because he had been told he may be transferred to a secret detention facility because state police were also considering charges of espionage against him -- due to a webcam Lepacek was using to broadcast live at the event. State police considered it to be a hidden camera, which led to discussion of "espionage." Wearing a webcam at a press event is not an act of espionage. Alex Jones, who was watching the live feed, witnessed Lepacek announce that he was wearing a camera connected to a laptop that was transmitting the press conference live at approximately 9:20 EST. When Lepacek announced that he was broadcasting live, Giuliani staff members responded by getting upset at his questions and ordering his arrest. Freedom to Fascism reporter Samuel Ettaro was also dragged out after asking a question on Giuliani's ties with Cintra and Macquerie, two foreign contractors involved with the contentious Trans-Texas Corridor under development in Texas. The entire incident took place in a large press auditorium, apart from the debate stages where authorized media were able to question candidates and their handlers. Since when do campaign operatives have the power to order state police to arrest someone on false charges or arbitrate who has the right to conduct journalism, a right guarded by the Constitution? A warning to the press-- if candidates or police don't like your questions, you could be arrested for trespassing and even espionage in the new Orwellian America. The state police in Goffstown, New Hampshire, where the arrest was made, confirmed that Lepacek is in custody on charges of criminal trespass. Police said information on who filed the trespass complaint was not yet available and would be filed in the police report. It is clear from talking to multiple eyewitness, as well as the live webcam, that there could not have been a complainant who originated police action, because it happened spontaneously. The police need to be very careful about violating the Bill of Rights and falsely charging someone with a felony crime. This constitutes extreme official oppression and is a total violation of the reporter's civil rights. It would have been bad enough if the reporter would have just been thrown out, but to arrest him when he had a valid press pass and CNN protested his arrest is an outrage. The arrest-- which clearly violated the First Amendment-- was recorded from two separate camera angles, including a live feed recorded remotely-- so the episode is on record in the event that police destroy or lose tapes seized from Lepacek in attempt to obfuscate the facts of the incident. If you doubt that police would assault reporters, seize video equipment and act on political orders, then consider the experience Alex Jones had when Texas state troopers arrested him for asking George W. Bush a question during a press conference while he was governor. See video here: http://img.youtube.com/vi/aoyn_doplUM/2.jpg

To quote ML...

"I'm 'an idiot' and Alex Jones is some paragon of 'alternative media'??? Now I am ROTFLMAO and you are decidedly more clueless than I thought you might be - ML]" If you'd like to see more of the investigative reporting by Mr. Jones, check out http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-82095917705734983 Why would they not consider infowars not to be a legitimate new outlet? http://www.infowars.com/print/Secret_societies/in_your_face.htm

That's actually a great video.

Not only does it not show the police physically assaulting anyone, it makes it pretty obvious that the guy wasn't arrested for "asking a question", he was escorted out for getting in the guy's face and repeatedly asking a question, after being told to "back off". Maybe certain people could learn something from this scenario.

Comment hiding

I glanced over the hidden posts, since I've been dragged into this comment hiding debate against my will. I trust I can quote a short piece of a hidden comment without getting into trouble: "All the others, like Gehrig and illyes sitting by, watching it happen and doing nothing about it. I mean, how spineless can you get?" Gehrig can speak for himself, but I point out that this UCIMC publication is edited, as is the Public i on which I work. This means that no author can assume that his work will appear without the approval of the editorial group. I do not agree with all decisions regarding what to hide and what not to hide on this site, but I am not a member of the Web group and am therefore not a part of their decision-making process. I appreciate the fact that the Web group hides a lot of comments that are redundant or that add nothing to the issues being discussed beyond personal attacks. I note that they do not hide some comments that do contain personal attacks but also contain non-redundant discussions of the issues in the article. I'd like to see this site be a place where folks of all political persuations can have a civil discussion. The only thing that is preventing this, to my knowledge, is the determination of some folks from both the left and right to engage in personal attack. I regret this systematic bridge burning, and see nothing good that can come of it. Bob

Hiding is a detriment

The IMC has established itself as a paragon of virtue in its perception of a media world dominated by the establishment and media lackeys parroting the official party line. It is incumbent, if not paramount, to its credibility that the specter of any type of ideologically-slanted censorship be erased from its forums. Only unfettered criticism, or praise, of the UCIMC's reporting or content can assure this. "Hiding," except in the most extreme cases of outright personal threats, should immediately cease. If the UCIMC doesn't adapt a more centered ideological stance in public discourse, and attempts some sort of governmental support for the even the most benign of community programs it may sponsor, citizens opposed to the UCIMC's ideology will be presented with a golden opportunity to litigate in federal court against their tax monies going to a political effort they do not support.

Tax monies???

The UCIMC doesn't take tax monies, anonymous 11:13. You criticize us without knowing what we are. Look over the hidden posts. What do you see? 1) The author doesn't like Brian. 2) The author doesn't like ML. 3) The author doesn't like the UCIMC. There is a little beyond this, but not much. This negtive stuff is a complete waste of the reader's time. Incidentally, I'm told that Shannon Bridges will likely recover. At least there is a little good news regarding the park shooting. Bob

Tax monies?

I think that the comment was referring to this: "Supported in part by the Illinois Arts Council, a state agency."

Also, tax-exempt status

Also, tax-exempt status means that you're subsidized by the government. Granted, nearly all non-profits are (in this line of reasoning), but it's still a government contribution.

A Complicated Subject, But Not So Simple as You Make It

There are a great many publications that contain controversial opinion that are projects of non-profit foundations. The Nation and The Progressive magazines are just two examples. All IMC publications, projects, websites, etc have independent editorial boards who operate within the wide range of opinion that fall within the mission statement of the organization, which is: "The Urbana-Champaign Independent Media Center is a grassroots organization committed to using media production and distribution as tools for promoting social and economic justice in the Urbana area. We are dedicated to addressing issues that the mainstream media neglects and we do not conceal our politics behind a false objectivity. We will empower people to "become the media" by providing democratic access to available technologies and information." The editors and other decisionmaking processes of our working groups operate independently of the UC IMC Foundation Board of Directors. In fact, the UC IMC Foundation BoD was specifically disempowered by the membership from dictating editorial or other policies, with certain very limited exceptions required by law. The Public i, the UC IMC website, WRFU, Books to Prisoners, etc all make their own decisions. All opionions offerred and policies they adopt are based on their own opinions and dcisions and should not be construed as representing the UC IMC Foundation BoD, other IMC members, other IMCs, or anyone other than those who offer up their thoughts in various forms in print, on the web, on the radio, or in our performance space. Furthermore, all these projects of the IMC have an open meeting structure and operate by consensus. I've lost count of the times that I've invited the pathological complainers and whiners who spend their time attacking various things on our website to come to a meeting to engage in our consensus process. In nearly every case, they turn out to be keyboard commandos and habitual trolls who seem to be unable to relate to IMC members on a face to face basis. Certainly we would take their views into consideration, if they did attend, but if they want to see change then they have to help shape a new consensus to replace the existing consensus. And consensus can be a rather conservative thing, once it's in place. It also means compromise and most of those who complain don't want that, they just want us to shut up. Sorry, no dice. To recap, UC IMC Foundation is not a government entity, thus has a right to operate within the law as any other community legal entity. Anyone can become involved in our process. People who claim some absolute right to "free speech" on UC IMC have it, but only within the bounds of our policies and regulations. When they choose not to participate, except to spend their time trolling here while dismissively ignoring the policies that our open meeting structures have formed through consensus, they are wasting their time by their own refusal to take the first step in realizing that we publish under a set of policies arrived at by an open process that they refuse to become engaged in. Our working groups operate independently of the UC IMC Foundation BoD.

And how does this refute the

And how does this refute the fact that the government subsidizes activities? I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but the issue was brought up.

Nothing to Refute

As usual, the trolls are trying to find issues where none exist. Take WEFT for example, if you're so thick-headed as to have missed my earlier points. I know lots of folks find News from Neptune and The Labor Hour irritating, but this does nothing to prevent WEFT from received support from exactly the same source, IAC, as UC IMC does. For instance, on WRFU we've had a libertarian show and currently have a number of religious shows. As founder of the station, I don't necessarily agree with a lot of what I hear on these shows, but I support the right of these hardworking volunteers to take responsibility for what they air within our consensused policies and think that it adds to the diversity of both the overall UC IMC project and the community itself. On the other hand, anonymous trolls here take no responsibility for their mealy-mouthed and flagrant disregard of this site's policies. And they get hidden (although generally they can still be read with one extra mouse click.) Again, you're off base legally, either through ignorance or just plain trying to convince others that your misinformation on this topic should be enough to justify attacking us because you don't like what our users publish.

Again, you're off base

Again, you're off base legally, either through ignorance or just plain trying to convince others that your misinformation on this topic should be enough to justify attacking us because you don't like what our users publish. Uhh, you're the one that's off base. I never made any argument that the UCIMC is illegally using tax money, or that the general public could sue the UCIMC for its use of funds. Someone brought up the government funding of the UCIMC, which someone disputed, and I listed the tax-exempt status as another example of government funding. You should be less hostile in your posts - address the issues rather than start name-calling.

So WHAT Is Your Point?

So are you arguing that just UC IMC should be denied funding and tax exemptions it is legally entitled to? That would a clumsy form of attempted censorship, plain, simple and by government fiat, unlike the bogus charges of "censorship" that the trolls so blithely throw around when they post things they know are obviously violations of our website policies, just so they can shed their crocodile tears of fake persecution when they get moved one click away from this page. Or are you suggesting that all churches, charitable groups, and non-profit organizations be denied the funding and tax-exemptions they are legally entitled to? That is a bit more of a consistent argument for you to make, at least, but seems like a rather silly proposition just to get UC IMC's goat -- and is unlikely to be supported by a public that thinks its non-profit institutions provide important aid and services unmet by for-profit entities in our soceity.

Uhh, I'm not making any

Uhh, I'm not making any judgement call on the current government funding. I was just stating that the UCIMC is (partially, and really only slightly) government subsidized. Just a statement of fact that was brought into question. No motive, no argument, no thesis - just clarifying a fact.

OK Then

If you'll not waste everyone's time on continuing a pointless string of posts about the slight and totally legal government funding of UC IMC, then I'll promise not to bring up massive tax cuts for the wealthy, tax policies that favor granting business executives obscene salaries while they cut jobs of working people, tax breaks for big oil companies who certainly are having no problem making windfall profits, nor talk about government policies that cut vital services for the old, needy, and poor to fund the pet, profitmaking projects of wealthy campaign contributors -- at least not in this thread. I'd hate to have people think that for you, it's all just about money and whose goat is getting fattened. It certainly isn't the IMC's goat or the communities we serve.

Talk about non sequitur.

Talk about non sequitur. ML, I think you need a beer. You're starting an argument where none exists - I have no problem with the government funding the IMC. My comments have had nothing to do with class-warfare, libertarian ideals, or anything of the sort. I was just clearing up a few facts that weren't clear beforehand (even to one of your own members). I wasn't the individual that posted crap about potential litigations, or anything of that sort. Your hostility is grossly misplaced if you think that I am.

A Whole Thread a la Seinfeld?

Who'd figure your whole point was about nothing. I understand Seinfeld has been having trouble getting work, but if your agent told you Indymedia was likely to revive your career, he's wrong. Claiming irrelevance is an exercise in obtuseness, but you seem to feed off that. Maybe more would simply be off-topic, then?

You're such a class act -

You're such a class act - I'm loving the insults ;-)

As opposed to the positive stuff.

Like Finney being fat.

Off topic stuff

I looked at the Illinois Arts Council web site, and they identify themselves as a state agency, so you're right, anonymous 11:36. This discussion is getting completely off-topic, however. Anonymous 11:13 is a good example of a comment that should be hidden, although I would suggest it be left as an example of why hiding is a good idea. It is a rant against the IMC, and contains nothing addressing the attached article. Bob

Off Topic Stuff

As the author of anonymous 11:13, Bob, (if you are the same Bob), I should remind you that I was responding to your own posting "Comment Hiding." So if I was off-topic, so were you. But I didn't see you suggesting that YOUR post be hidden. By calling for my reply to be hidden, you have only reinforced my initial thesis of intolerance to criticism through retributive censorship. As far as characterizing it as "rant against the IMC," I thought I was doing the organization a favor by pointing out the conditions that justifiably or not, could expose it to litigation. And I don't think I have to remind you that there's plenty of groups out there with deep pockets who would gladly provide the attorneys to do just that.

It Really Is All About Intimidating a Free Press for Some Trolls

Since the beginning of the trolls' vendetta against BD's reporting on issues of abusive police practices and racial disparity in the Champaign County justice system, many of us have surmised that their project was to intimidate UC IMC into silence on these important news topics. Now it has been confirmed by at least one troll that intimidation of a free press that dares challenge the official story is exactly their goal. Thanks for that important clarification -- and vital piece of evidence of what the objective of your unAmerican and fascistic point of view represents.

Who's Intimdating Who?

Then why continue the farce that you're "independent" or in any way desirous of soliciting opinions on your FORUM that differ from your own? Why not be honest to the community about your true motives and show some integrity for a change? Why don't you just issue a manifesto and ban all comments except those that totally agree with whatever self-righteous cause you've adopted at the moment? In fact, I'll provide you with one: We, the undersigned Stalinists at the Independent Media Center, hereby declare that what we believe and accept as our Holy Dogma is the ONLY acceptable form of thought or opinion, and thereby banish all opposing belief and opinion to the Gulags. After all, this is what Father Fidel, Father Josef, and Father Kim would do. There now...don't you feel better? Coming clean is a powerful catharsis.

Nah, We're Not Interested

No one here wants an organization like the Bush White House.

Wow. What did he say that

Wow. What did he say that makes you call him a fascist? It looks like the worst you could say he was doing was trying to warn you about something.

Off-topic revisited

Off-topic means not addressing the article, anonymous 1:53. A certain amount of off-topic stuff is not a problem, provided it is civil, but a pattern of it is. Since the number of hidden posts in this thread indicate that we have too many authors who either don't get this or don't wish to get this, I thought I'd try to clarify the matter. Further discussion of this matter is a waste of time. Bob

What You Got To Do To File A Police Complaint In Champaign

On September 24, 2006, black community activist Martel Miller went down to the Champaign Police Station with another man who wanted to file a complaint alleging police brutality. The two men were kicked out of the Champaign Police Station by Sgt. Matt Crane and refused the opportunity to file a complaint. The man was discouraged from ever going back to the station. Miller filed his own complaint about Crane’s “unprofessional” behavior, which we published in the November issue of the Public i. I went down to the Champaign Police Station today, June 11, 2007, to file a complaint for being summarily ejected from a press conference by Chief Finney and Troy Daniels. I asked the secretary to fill out a complaint form. She called somebody to come down and speak with me. Who did they send down to talk to me, but Deputy Chief Troy Daniels – without a form in hand. He acted surprised when I asked to see someone else. He said he would call another Deputy Chief. While I was waiting (I had already waited 20 minutes), Troy Daniels took the time to do an interview with a WCIA reporter on the “spike of violence in Champaign-Urbana.” Daniels said Champaign police have stepped up patrols in the Garden Hills neighborhood, what he called a “problem area.” Due to the warm weather, people tend to “gather in groups” was his explanation to the rise in police patrolling. While expressing the need for more police in black neighborhoods, Daniels provided contrary information of a “downward trend” in violent crime. He cited statistics that show violent crime is down 23% in Champaign: 1996 – 2350 violent crimes 2006 – 1800 violent crimes When Daniels was done with his interview, another Deputy Chief had still not arrived to speak with me. Finally, Daniels brought out a complaint form which I took, told him I would return the next day, and wished him a good day. BD

No contradiction.

An upward "spike" is a brief increase in something, which runs contrary to a general downward trend. Remember those three suicides in jail a few years ago? They were an upward spike in the jail suicide rate, in the midst of a general downward trend. There's nothing really contradictory at all here. It doesn't really sound like you had to go through all that much to file the complaint.

WTF's a "nymn?" Even OED

WTF's a "nymn?" Even OED fails me...

A Certain Vintage

It's a warped version/definition of homonym that probably dates me -- or maybe I've just always misspelled it. Err, screenname , user ID, whatever you'd prefer.

Oh, ok - thanks for clearing

Oh, ok - thanks for clearing that up, I assumed that's what you meant. Sorry to get off-topic.

My Concerns

I am troubled by the Chief of Police kicking out Brian but mainly as it pertains to the rights of independent journalists. Did he have him kicked out because he was independent or because he felt that Brian wasn't a true journalist. If it was over the independent factor I'd be extremely worried. As corporatized and dehumanized as the media has become I have welcomed the internet revolution and the access to radio and printing independent newspapers newer and cheaper technology has allowed. It hits my basic patriotic nerve of promoting dissent in spite of the powers that be that go back to the founding of our nation as imperfect as it was. The massive amounts of money involved with the main stream media immediately make me doubt their ability to report fairly and without bias. To most news outlet the news industry appears to be more of another part of the entertainment industry than a place where you find facts and information without bias. For biased information you turn to the opinion section to hear what their views are. It isn't intermixed like we see on CNN or Fox or MSNBC etc. Where the opinion and news section are intertwined to the point of being inseparable. That said I would like to hear a better explanation from the Chief of Police about why Brian was prohibited from the press conference. It was because he was an independent in the world of journalism I'd be very upset. If it was because they honestly did not believe that Brian upheld the tenants of being a journalist then I'd feel a bit better about the situation. I pointed out the Code of Ethics at the Society of Professional Journalists the other day on IP in direct regards to this subject. No matter how well intentioned his activism and apparent bias could lead someone to believe he has little objectivity on the subject of police matters and thus negate his claim to being an ethical journalist. If this is their argument I could understand. Though I believe as an independent journalist one could be extremely biased towards a cause if they so choose but face the consequences of being considered non-objective and lose credibility over that. I hope the UCIMC through Brian or others at the "Public i" can get a better explanation of this denial of press credentials for this very reason. Anyone who knows me or is aware of my posts at IP.com or my own blog knows that I am probably not in line with his personal views on most issues but I am one of those whacky folks that would defend his right to the death to say them. I also believe that an independent media is critical to democracy especially once a democracy begins to tread closer and closer to allowing fascist-style edicts and policies. While I do not agree that is the case today, the right of a free press and more importantly an INDEPENDENT press is critical to preventing and opposing such a situation if it ever truly comes about. Brian, I respect your devotion to your cause even if I disagree with the methods and arguments you may use in pursuit of that cause. I wish more people had similar devotions on my own side of the political spectrum. ML, I respect your editorial concerns on keeping content on topic and maintaining editorial privilege over what comments are appropriate in a moderated forum, but I honestly believe that mere dissent should be given a bit more deference so this forum does not have the appearance of an ideological echo chamber. I can understand some of the more notorious attackers being moderated out but some of the comments appear to be fairly reasonable dissent that should be addressed. I don't mean this as an attack but as an honest suggestion in the spirit of aiding independent media. I absolutely do not mean to imply that some of the more emotionally based and ad hominem attacks should be allowed, just that more openness to dissent may help alleviate some of the attacks I've seen lately. To that end I hope that the independent media here in town flourishes for all sorts of the underrepresented portions of our society and becomes a far more reliable partner with the community to espouse views that the traditional media may otherwise ignore. Like most good intentions I think there are some improvements on the actions to be considered and I hope they will be considered so that in the future UCIMC or Public i reporters are not excluded from press conferences but given the same credence as more traditional reporters. Brian seems to have the devotion but perhaps not the objectivity to be the guy on the front line for that. I'm just a blogger that gets most of his comments and responses on an IRC politics channel and the local IP.com blog though. So take my opinion as you will. I'm certainly no expert on the media in general or journalism in general. Just my 2 cents as a local independent who would like to see more independent journalism in our area. - Glock21 (tried to register but running into some sort of problem)

Howdy Glock

I think people are reading far too much into our policies by way of the recent "problems". The first thing they were meant to address was overly aggressive ultra-leftists, hate spammers, and just people who didn't seem to have a clue that this is a news site and their article must at least be intelligible to the average reader. Then "Jack Ryan" was allowed to fester here for nearly two years, before people got tired of it. That's where our present policies come from. But it's not that hard to stay on subject, have your say and be on your way here without diving into the hidden files. No site is troll-proof, but we'd like to think we're troll intolerant, because such behavior detracts from the legitimate uses of the site. We are looking at adopting a much needed update of our editorial policy soon, which should help clarify things even more for legitimate users. We want honest and heartfelt discussion here, but most of the contemptuous and obsessively repetitive stuff really should be where it doesn't get in the way. Part of our objective is to foster what we consider to be progressive politics. This is obviously a bit of a different thing than party politics, so we prefer to not get hung up on labels, but frankly even conservative Democrats are far to the right of most people here, who are a mix of attitudes across what some might consider to be "the Left" -- but no one is checking cards. Visitors or those who want to join in the discussion need to accept that this is the shape of our community, just like IP represents another part of the community. If you get stuck registering, try again, things have been undergoing some much needed updating recently and connections can be intermittent.

Not Just the IMC Unhappy with Official Stonewalling

The News-Gazette ran an editorial in their Tuesday, June 12 edition. Now some may say that the N-G's polite and respectful approach is the way to go. And I'm not necessarily saying that IMC coverage was, is, or should be impolite or disrespectful, for instance regarding the incident at West Side Park. But the people of this community are getting damn tired of the BS "can't say nothin'" approach to what should be, has in the past, and is Constitutionally-guaranteed to be easily available information for the public. Considering vital parts of modern info networks -- the internet -- WERE, in fact, invented in U-C, it's a bit weird to see parts of our local county government hiding the facts of most interest to the public, pedaling backwards into some sort of public info Cold War, where nothing can ever be released, because it's too complicated, sensitive, or politically problematic to see the light of day and be read by the public. This kind of closed government is dangerous, out-of-control, and a threat to the liberties and freedoms Americans hold dear. It would be good if the News-Gazette could be a bit less polite -- and a lot more curious and persistent -- in the way it cover local problems of crime and justice. The issues wasn't made up by journalists as some insist; various communities have long been aware of such problems, but rarely are in a position to do anything about it if the press is willing to cooperate with local law enforcement to make the problems "disappear" when racial disparity in justice is all around us.

Constitution and freedom of the press

It doesn't say in the US Constitution that information should be made easily available, Anon 8:14. It also doesn't say that voting outcomes in the Congress should be determined by the majoriity. To understand the Constitution, it must be understood in the context in which is was written, and with a certain amount of common sense. Chief Finney's expulsion of Brian is contrary to intent of the First Amendment, which is to support a free press. Had Brian been disruptive, preventing Finney from conducting the press conference, it would have been proper to expel him, but this is not what happened. It doesn't take a law to make this the case, it just requires respect for the idea of a free press. Bob

YouTube Video of Journalists arrested

Yes, PLEASE watch this

Yes, PLEASE watch this video! Do you not see the staffer telling him to "Back off!"? The staffer is not Giuliani himself. He's just a staffer. Not a person who is involved with the press conference, and not, therefore, a legitimate target for these questions in the first place. Once again. I'd like to point out the fact that Brian is STILL using the Alex Jones website as a source. Thank you and goodnight.

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