CU Citizens for Peace and Justice held a press conference Monday, December 7, 2009 at the Independent Media Center to address the ongoing debate over the police shooting of Kiwane Carrington. The press conference pre-empted the release of the report by the State’s Attorney which was announced to come out on Tuesday, the following day. Those who spoke said the investigation is already contaminated and the decision whether or not to charge the police is a foregone conclusion.
A panel comprised of both members of the Kiwane Carrington family and CU Citizens for Peace and Justice, addressed the media cameras. Rhonda Williams, Kiwane’s aunt, said she was appalled that Officer Daniel Norbits, who shot Carrington, was back on the job. “It was a slap in the face,” she said, “and a pat on the back.”
Longtime community activist Terry Townsend pointed out how information about the shooting has been kept from the public. As he put it, “We have been unable to construct a theory of what happened because they have not released the information."
Below is the statement that was prepared by CUCPJ and delivered by Carol Ammons:
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We at Champaign Urbana Citizens For Peace and Justice and the Family of Kiwane Carrington are here today to state clearly that the current investigation into the death of Kiwane Carrington, and any decisions based on this investigation, are invalid because the process to determine what happened in October 9th, 2009 that resulted in the shooting death of 5 year old Kiwane Carrington appears contaminated.
The Champaign County State's Attorney who is evaluating this investigation has already demonstrated prejudice and bias concerning the events of October 9.
Also, recent statements made by public officials, and new evidence from a recent Freedom of Information Act request, have shown that the public cannot trust the objectivity of this investigation, nor the State's Attorney's ability to avoid favoritism toward the officers involved.
In order for the community to have complete confidence in the fairness of the investigation - both to the officers involved and to the victims of this tragedy - and in order for all to believe this investigation was thorough and pursued all relevant information, the citizens of Champaign County must have the Department of Justice Department of Criminal Investigation assume responsibility for the gathering of facts regarding actions taken by all parties.
Also, we insist that a special prosecutor outside of Champaign County be assigned to evaluate such an investigation.
First off, the subjects of the Illinois State Police investigation, Champaign Police Chief R.T. Finney and Champaign Police Officer Daniel Norbits, have been allowed to remain on duty during the time of this investigation, contaminating the investigation.
The return of Officer Norbits to employment and the refusal of Champaign City government to even consider administrative leave for Chief Finney, the commanding officer on the scene, are not only insults the family of Kiwane Carrington, but also allows both officers unprecedented access to information and witnesses during this significant investigation of the killing of a youth.
Chief Finney is supervisor over the witnesses being questioned; Officer Norbits is their co-worker.
Whether or not these officers actually influenced the investigation, the appearance of such impropriety has cast such doubt on the reliability of the investigation that the results, whenever they are released publicly and whatever they may state, cannot be trusted.
Secondly, the public can not trust the objectivity and independence of the Multi-Jurisdictional Investigative Team that is assisting the Illinois State Police.
Composed of Rantoul, Champaign County, University of Illinois, and City of Urbana police officers, this local team cannot be considered independent of the Champaign Police Department.
It is well known that officers in these jurisdictions work very closely with Champaign police officers.
All five departments have officers who have graduated from the same school, often work on the same criminal cases, serve on the same S.W.A.T. teams, attend the same training seminars, shoot at the same shooting range, respond to the same dispatch calls for back-up, and have opportunities to socialize off-hours.
It is quite possible that Chief Finney and Officer Norbits have been investigated by personal friends, known colleagues, and fellow students.
The close working relationship between the local police departments inspires no public confidence that the investigating officers would be willing to follow evidence that implicates wrongdoing on the part of their fellow professionals.
The appearance of local police investigating local police is unacceptable.
Thirdly, the State’s Attorney has demonstrated that she is not an objective and unbiased reviewer of the police investigation.
The public has been repeatedly told to wait for the investigation to be completed before assuming anything about the events of October 9.
This investigation took approximately 33 days to complete. The results have still not been released.
And yet, 4 days after the incident, 29 days before the investigation was finished, the Champaign County State's Attorney, whose job it is to now determine whether Chief Finney and Officer Norbits should be held criminally responsible for the death of Kiwane Carrington; accepted the testimony of these two officers about the incident, and represent their testimony as fact in a juvenile court on October 12. Before receiving the Illinois State Police investigation, the Champaign County State's Attorney had already decided what happened on Oct. 9.
Before the Illinois State Police submitted their investigation, the State's Attorney was publicly prosecuting the other youth - the key witness to that pending investigation - using the police testimony as the state's witnesses the subjects of that investigation.
While representing all the People of Champaign County, the State's Attorney has chosen to compromise the rights of the victims in this case.
The rules of professional conduct mandate that representing one client at the expense of another is strictly prohibited. The State's Attorney has established a clear conflict of interest. She should not be allowed to evaluate the investigation into the behavior of Chief Finney and Officer Norbits.
Therefore, we are calling for a Federal Department of Justice investigation into the incident and special prosecutor be assigned from outside of Champaign County to determine whether prosecution is called for.
To further highlight specific examples why the final report about this investigation and its subsequent evaluation cannot be trusted, we provide the following:
1) In an October 11th email written by Champaign City Manager Steve Carter to the Champaign City Council describing the events of October 9, Mr. Carter wrote: "The State's Attorney responded to the scene and will provide some consultation for the investigation."
Confirming the possibility that the Champaign County State's Attorney has been directly involved in the Illinois State police investigation, is an October 27 email sent to Champaign City Council member Marci Dodds from the State's Attorney where the State's Attorney admits she has been monitoring and participating in the investigation.
2) In an November 2nd email sent by Champaign Deputy Police Chief Troy Daniels, Mr. Daniels reveals that the Champaign Police Department was likely provided a copy of the final Illinois State Police report at the same time as the State's Attorney's office. It is possible that Chief Finney and Officer Norbits, while on duty, could have read the report and helped to craft a response raises suspicions. That they have had access to this document for weeks while the public is left in the dark is unacceptable.
Therefore, we assert that the contents and evaluation of the investigation into the death of Kiwane Carrington, as it has been assembled and is being processed, will offer no assurances that it will be accurate, nor that it will be complete, nor influenced by favoritism and sympathy for the police officers involved.
Under these circumstances, we are not assured that justice will be served and therefore the necessary healing for the entire community cannot be achieved.
The death of Kiwane Carrington puts us at the threshold of improving our police departments, implementing better apprehension techniques, and establishing better use of force restrictions that can be agreed upon by the general public.
Unfortunately, public officials have chosen the way of secrecy, cover-up, and inside dealing to protect their reputations, their careers, and avoid liability in civil court.
The unintended consequence of such behavior is the appearance that the life of a black youth has no value.
This democracy demands total transparency and independent checks and balances.
We must have a further independent investigation. We must have an objective evaluation.
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Why?
Why do IMC an CUCPJ insist on tearing this community with unfounded allegations, lies, slander, libel and the dishonor of this poor young man?
Can you not see how inflammatory your attitudes and accusations are?
Have you no decency? The report hasn't even been released yet and you have threatened riots, protest and civil disobedience in Champaign.
My family and I live here. You are placing them in danger because of your own egotistical self-aggrandizing sense of "justice". Inciting riots is not "peace and justice".
Put down your torches. Act as compassionate human beings and work for the betterment of our community and not the destruction of it.
IMC and CUCPJ will never be taken seriously until and unless you decide to act in an ethically responsible manner.
This is nothing more than a witch hunt by people who have no interest in the case except to make themselves seem important in the local media.
I beg you to re-examine your values. Stand your ground but do it intelligently, kindly and compassionately. Weild your activism responsibly and set an example for the young minds that are watching you.
Speaking as a member of this community
I've lived in Champaign for many years and have friends and family in the community. I fully support CUCPJ in the efforts being made in this case. I have never seen anyone in the organization advocate riots or unlawful protests. The unity marches and the recent gathering at the Champaign County Courthouse did not disrupt the flow of traffic or bar entrance into the facility. People who were going about their usual business were not approached or accosted by anyone who attended these functions.
It is not slander or libel to utilize published reports and documents obtained through the Freedom on Information Act to ask questions on how this situation has been investigated and handled. In fact I think it's a disgrace that the one for profit newspaper in this community has failed to engage in the type of investigative journalism this situation calls for.
Who is the 'poor young man' you speak of? Would it be RT Finney or Officer Norbits? Being a member of law enforcement is a thankless job and I understand that this must of been a very trying situation for the two men. However, as public servants, there are questions over their conduct that day and they must be held to a professional standard. Both Finney and Norbits should have been on administrative leave since this situation occurred and their presence during the investigation was improper.
This community is torn apart, not by individuals looking for the truth, but by the trusted servants who abuse the power that has been given to them. It shows in the concern of mothers who are afraid to let their sons walk to the convenience store or high school because she is scared of what the police might do. It shows in the story of a former neighbor of mine who told me that her biracial nephew had his nose broken by police officers. It shows when concerned citizens go to the city council and get treated to smirks and rudeness by the mayor, who is a former police officer.
What is, in your opinion, responsible activism? You ask people to stand their ground and to do so with intelligence and compassion. The intelligence is something that comes from the fact that people have examined the information that has been made available very very carefully. While CUCPJ has stood its ground firmly I have yet to see any unkindness directed towards any of the parties. It also takes a lot of compassion to consider what happened to young Carrington and his friend that day instead of dismissing them as a couple of uppity black kids who probably deserved what they got.
Lets talk about setting an example: a recent teach in held by CUCPJ talked about the lessons we can teach young people. First - youth in this community need to know what their rights are and how to respond when stopped by law enforcement. Second - instead of complaining about the system we need to encourage young men and women to become part of the system by becoming city council members, police officers, and even lawyers. There is a lot of discussion on how young people can be encouraged to become active and involved in the democratic process so their voices can be heard. This is not something the News-Gazette covers and I encourage you to attend a meeting of CUCPJ at the IMC on Saturdays at 4PM.
I beg you to examine the values you are asking me, and others, to review. Please make an effort to become part of the solution and not an ongoing part of the problem by hiding behind anonymous posts on the Internet. Because I have publicly put myself and my own name out in the public sphere there are times when I do get scared for myself and my own family. If there is anyone who is doing this simply for some narcissistic public attention....that is just plain crazy. Standing ones ground in the face of injustice is not an easy thing to do...especially when the more comfortable thing to do is to simply walk away and refuse to rock the boat.
The shooting was inflammatory, and the cover-up
Even more inflammatory than the shooting itself is the cover-up -
and with the help of a prosecuter who has recused herself previously because of her boyfriend the cop!
It is CUCPJ that seeks kindness and compassion of which there seems to be precious little among the entrenched powers in your little cowtown.
Too bad we can't pick up the University and move it elsewhere.
David Roknich
Galesburg, Illinois -
where we too are addressing the problem of bureaucrats gone bad!
What cover-up?
I mean, really, what cover-up? If you're going to accuse people of something, you should at least say what it is you think they did.
Denying the truth about the shooting
Media reports - as well as the officers involved themselves - claim that the gun happened to have 'went off' during a scuffle between Kiwane Carrington and the officer; however, the boy was unarmed and of a small frame and it is highly unlikely that any scuffle that ensued - if there even was such a scuffle - would have required the use of such aggression as the shooting of the gun that took the teen's life. It was not told how or why the gun 'went off', and when the aunt of the boy simply asked why the department "couldn't have just used mace" (or a similar less-aggressive method of control that would not have endangered lives) no answers were given. It appears to be clear that the use of the gun was unnecessary and the circumstances regarding the alleged legitimacy of the usage of the gun remain unclear. It is suspected that the officers are covering up the truth - that the use of the gun was wrong and unnecessary - in order to protect jobs and reputations.
After Death, Inquiry Doors Open and Shut
by Ellen Barry
MOSCOW — It was more than a year ago when six members of an obscure oversight panel filed into Butyrskaya Prison to look into the death of a prisoner.
They were hardly an intimidating bunch: retired women in hats, mostly, scribbling their observations in notebooks, regarded by the prison staff as a minor irritant, like fleas.
In a country whose law enforcement structures wield enormous power, it is easy enough to ignore civilian watchdog groups. But this day was different. When the doctors were led in and told to take a seat, the panel’s leader, a veteran human rights activist named Valery V. Borshchev, felt something unfamiliar in the air.
“They lied to us, of course,” Mr. Borshchev later recalled. “But they were frightened. And the fact that they were frightened gave us hope that something would really change.”
The man who had died was Sergei L. Magnitsky. His death in pretrial detention at the age of 37, officially recorded as resulting from sudden heart failure, sent shudders through Moscow’s elite. They saw him — a post-Soviet young urban professional — as someone uncomfortably like themselves. He had been arrested after accusing police investigators of a huge tax fraud, and he died awaiting trial.
A full account of Mr. Magnitsky’s death, the group knew, could restore some confidence in Russia’s legal system. A whitewash, on the other hand, could erode what faith remained.
Investigating the death meant confronting Russia’s security structures — the police, prosecutors, courts, prisons and prison doctors, all links in a self-protective chain. The findings, however decisive, would have to compete with an official inquiry, which would ultimately determine if anyone would be prosecuted.
Even so, they felt oddly hopeful. President Dmitri A. Medvedev, by all accounts genuinely angry over Mr. Magnitsky’s death, insisted that state prosecutors stop dragging their feet and open a case. Two days later, a top prison administrator admitted “obvious violations on our part” to a Kremlin advisory group.
In a country ruled more by commands than by laws, a command had gone out: This time someone would have to be punished.
So the inspectors walked into Butyrskaya with uncommon confidence.
“We could cover ourselves with this comment and say, ‘The president demanded an investigation,’ ” said Lyubov V. Volkova, deputy head of the panel, known as the Public Oversight Commission. “It was like an umbrella. We could go in and say, show us this, show us that. We are under this umbrella.”
Unlikely Detectives
Ms. Volkova and her colleagues were hardly detectives. Their group was brand new, approved by Mr. Medvedev after more than a decade of lobbying the government. They were empowered to inspect cells and investigate complaints, but their recommendations were not binding. In their berets and reading glasses, they seemed to pose little threat. But once inside Butyrskaya, the commission members were neck deep in a criminal investigation.
They moved from cell to cell, standing in the last spaces Mr. Magnitsky had occupied, seeing the last people he saw. They paged through sheaves of complaints he made: there were more than 400, as many as three a day, sometimes written by hand. The picture of a man began to take shape before them.
“Every day, in prisons, we see beaten, constrained, terrified people, who don’t complain about anything,” said Ms. Volkova, 62, a brash blonde partial to satin pants and animal prints. “Magnitsky complained. And the more he complained, the worse they made it for him. And then he complained again.”
“He is the only one we’ve seen like this,” she said.
There were signs that something had gone badly wrong. A doctor on the prison’s medical staff who had been treating Mr. Magnitsky for abdominal pain appeared more distraught than others interviewed by the group. Three days before his death, she told them, Mr. Magnitsky complained about vomiting and severe pain on his right side.
That was a Friday, and she went home for the weekend. No doctor saw him again until Monday, and then, she said, he had “acute, belting pain, vomiting every three hours.” It looked to her as if he had acute pancreatitis, which left untreated can lead to organ failure. As the commission members hastily took notes, the doctor described her alarm, saying: “It was necessary to push for an examination. I thought he had a chronic disease.”
At this, the commission members’ ears pricked up. Whom did she have to lobby to get Mr. Magnitsky treated?
But the conversation was cut short. At that moment, Mr. Borshchev recalled, a prison official walked up behind the doctor, grasped her by the shoulders, and took her out of the room.
Tracing a Prisoner’s Journey
Mr. Borshchev learned about prisons in the 1970s, when, as a close friend of the Soviet dissident Andrei D. Sakharov, he ferried books and sausages to the outskirts of penal colonies to be passed to political prisoners. From his own interrogations for dissident activities, he knew that a prisoner needed a plan to withstand official pressure. He had his own plan: As soon as the investigator raised his voice, he would stop talking and gaze out the window.
Now 76, Mr. Borshchev has fat streaks of white in his beard, and peers over his glasses as if he is presiding over his own personal Supreme Court.
At Butyrskaya, he walked from one cell to another, tracing eight transfers Mr. Magnitsky underwent in the last three months of his life. The cells were increasingly cramped, dark and dirty.
Though a prison doctor had diagnosed gallstones and pancreatitis and ordered a follow-up ultrasound, Mr. Magnitsky was suddenly transferred to Butyrskaya, which had minimal medical facilities. There he had an attack, writing of pain “so acute that I was not even able to lie down.” In September, Oleg F. Silchenko, lead investigator in the case, refused Mr. Magnitsky’s appeal to advocate for the ultrasound, saying investigators were under no obligation to intervene. The ultrasound never happened.
Mr. Magnitsky was allowed only one visit with his wife and mother for the full 11 months he was in custody; they attended court hearings so they could stare at him from across the room. He passed the time by reading Shakespeare’s tragedies. When overcome with anxiety or despair, a cellmate later said, he would turn his face to the wall, as if he wanted it to swallow him up.
To Mr. Borshchev, there was only one way to interpret this: the prisoner was refusing to cooperate. Indeed, Mr. Magnitsky’s job at a Russian-American law firm drew him into a battle between William S. Browder — once the largest foreign investor in the Russian stock market — and the Interior Ministry, which oversees law enforcement. In 2007, Mr. Browder’s company, Hermitage Capital, based on Mr. Magnitsky’s research, accused police investigators of an immense act of corruption, charging that they had seized three of Mr. Browder’s subsidiary companies and used them to receive a $230 million tax refund.
The next year, the Interior Ministry charged Mr. Browder’s companies with evading $17.5 million in taxes. As soon as Mr. Magnitsky was arrested, investigators were pushing him to testify against someone, presumably Mr. Browder, said his defense lawyer, Dmitri V. Kharitonov. But he refused.
The commission’s narrative flowed with some logic until it reached Nov. 16, 2009, the day he died. The nervous doctor sent Mr. Magnitsky to another prison, which had a hospital. There, the oversight panel met a surgeon named Dr. Aleksandra V. Gaus, who said she noted upon his arrival that he had symptoms of acute pancreatitis and prepared to send him for treatment.
At 7 p.m., Dr. Gaus said, he started to act erratically, and she changed her mind, determining that he was suffering from “acute psychosis and persecutory delusions.” She called a team of eight guards to forcibly subdue him, and they handcuffed him to the bed in an isolation cell to wait for a psychiatric emergency team. An hour and a half later, officials said, he collapsed when the psychiatrist was examining him, and was rushed to intensive care for resuscitation. He was declared dead at 9:50 p.m.
Mr. Borshchev was mulling over this account when he got a startling phone call. A few days earlier, he had left his card for the psychiatrist who was present at Mr. Magnitsky’s death. On the phone was the psychiatrist, Dr. Vitaly V. Kornilov, who told a different story: He and his team had been forced to wait at the clinic’s outer gates for a full hour — roughly from 8 until 9 p.m. — before they were allowed inside.
By the time he entered the cell, as Dr. Kornilov would later tell the official investigators, “we were presented with the fact that we could not carry out a psychiatric examination because of the lack of a patient.”
“The head of the corpse was tilted toward his left shoulder, his eyes were open and wide,” he said, according to official documents. “No heartbeat could be felt, no breath or arterial pressure was felt, his skin was pale and cool. Biological death had occurred 15 minutes before.”
The Panel Reports
Six weeks after Mr. Magnitsky’s death, Mr. Borshchev published the commission’s report. He was pleased; though there were still gaps and contradictions, he was sure the commission had uncovered enough to show that someone could be charged, if only for negligence. “When undesirable information gets into the case file, it starts working by itself,” he said. “It must be disproved or else unraveled.”
But another inquiry — the official one — was taking place out of public view. Around 12 hours after Mr. Magnitsky died, his body was examined by a coroner who reported that Mr. Magnitsky’s death was as sudden and unpredictable as a lightning strike. In her report, a copy of which was reviewed by The New York Times, she listed the cause of death as heart failure as a result of dilated cardiomyopathy, a disease that sometimes makes headlines when young athletes collapse in the middle of a game. She found no evidence that he was suffering from pancreatitis.
The autopsy would undergo a series of expert analyses — one of which involved dozens of specialists and was headed by the country’s most famous cardiologist. That panel was confident enough to provide what appeared to be an endpoint to the investigation.
“The drawbacks in medical aid given to Magnitsky,” they wrote, “have no connection to his death.”
Still, the experts did not hide their dissatisfaction. After reviewing accounts from medical staff members, they said the testimony was so contradictory that they could not even determine the time or place of Mr. Magnitsky’s death, official documents show. They were given such paltry documentation that they “couldn’t give an objective assessment of medical care” or determine whether a crime occurred.
They noted that none of Mr. Magnitsky’s doctors had showed concern over his heart, and that diagnostic work done three weeks before his death showed no signs of heart disease.
Moreover, no blood samples were taken when Mr. Magnitsky arrived at the hospital — “the lab only works during the day, and it was night,” Dr. Gaus told a forensic expert — and little toxicology screening was done after his death. So it is difficult to know whether his symptoms were caused by septic shock, an overdose of some agent, or some other form of poisoning. And there was little explanation for the fact that he had been left in a cell for more than an hour in a state of acute distress.
By fall, police officials were so confident that they began to go on the attack. At a ceremony to observe Militia Day, the Interior Ministry bestowed public honors on the investigators who helped put Mr. Magnitsky in prison. On the anniversary of his death, the ministry held a news conference to announce an astounding new accusation: He himself was guilty, said a spokeswoman, of applying for a fraudulent $230 million tax refund. That is the crime Hermitage had reported to prosecutors in 2007.
The inquiry Mr. Medvedev had ordered was extended a second time, but now a new signal had gone out: No arrest was imminent.
“There is no basis to believe that his death was connected to the officials carrying out his prosecution,” Aleksandr Bastrykin, director of the Investigative Committee, the Russian agency that was charged with inquiring into his death, said in September.
No Longer Waiting
Mr. Borshchev had long since stopped waiting for a response to his report. He was at home listening to the radio one day when he heard Aleksei V. Anichin, the head of the Interior Ministry unit that handled Mr. Magnitsky’s case, say that his investigators were “the people who suffered the most from Mr. Magnitsky’s death” — because they lost the opportunity to convict him.
“After this statement,” he said, “it became clear that the investigation is not interested in finding the truth.”
Something had changed during the year, and the members of the Public Oversight Commission felt it as keenly as anyone. When the time came to nominate the new members of the panel — whose single high-profile act had been its damning report on Mr. Magnitsky’s death — the candidates were not well known in human rights circles.
Two were from the Association of Professional Security Guards; two were from the Veterans of the Secret Services; another two were from the Association of Retired Police Operatives; two were from the Association of Police Veterans. The balance on the panel is now so tenuous that Mr. Borshchev fears he will be replaced as the body’s president. One of his critics on the panel, Anton V. Tsvetkov of the Officers of Russia Foundation, complained about “nihilists who disavow everything, who criticize everything,” but said his position had nothing to do with the report on Mr. Magnitsky’s death. “I don’t think anyone read that report,” he said.
Two weeks ago, the state’s lead investigator for the first time asked to interview Mr. Borshchev and Ms. Volkova about their research in the case. They sat together for three hours, meticulously reviewing the findings, which are to be attached to the official file. As they left, Mr. Borshchev said, he clung to the hope that Mr. Medvedev might still press to uncover what really happened.
Ms. Volkova said she was exhausted from the effort of hoping. “I have begun to feel sorry for our president, for Medvedev,” she said. “I look at him and say: ‘Poor, poor boy. Are you really going to clean up all this dirt that they are producing? These hundreds of thousands of corrupt people?’ I am sure that he is the most pitiable person.”
“Nothing was stopping him from giving an order, at least, not to give awards to the investigators,” she said. “Nothing stopped him.”
Copyright 2010 The New York Times
This report is completely on target
Thank you CUCPJ for taking your valuable time to follow, investigate a review the circumstances. Thank you for taking the time to craft and delivery such a clear and consise report, that can only, if taken into serious consideration bring about needed and necessary change in our community.
I know that you have full time jobs and families and that this valuable work you have done, has no doubt been a strain on you personally. Thank you for stepping up to the plate.
The local cop investigating local cop has got to stop. As with the jail suicides that we have experienced, with "Urbana Police" investigating "Sheriff" -- even if there was NO wrong doing...no assuance can be made of this because of the good ole boy network...and the fraternizing between States Attny and police departments is absolutely unparrelled in Champaign County.
To Annonymous 8:46 p.m.
If your comments are sincere, I strnogly suggest you come to a Champaign Urbana Citizens for Peace and Justice meeting, Saturdays at the Urbana Post Office at 4:00 p.m. and learn what CUCPJ is really doing.
I doubt very many people
I doubt very many people actually know about this website and if they do, care. I know that this is a big news story, but if your really intersted in making CU a better place, then where were you when the mother of 7 disappeared two years ago, or where is the march about the young woman in Mahomet.
You have your own agenda, and it does not include all victims of violence.
Actually...
The UCIMC has no paid news staff. The stories that are reported here are reported because community members choose to report them. Anyone can post to the website, broadcast on the radio station, or utilize IMC media eqipment. Unlike conventional newspapers, IMC work is done by community volunteers. If you feel strongly about events taking place in our comunity, make use of these resources. A few volunteers cannot cover every event in the UC area.
The News-Gazette article about Press conference
Rights group wants special prosecutor in shooting death
By Tim Mitchell
Monday December 7, 2009
URBANA – A local civil rights group has called for replacing Champaign County State's Attorney Julia Rietz with a special prosecutor in the case of the Oct. 9 shooting death of 15-year-old Kiwane Carrington of Champaign.
The CU Citizens for Peace and Justice is also asking the federal Department of Justice to do its own investigation of the incident.
"The current investigation into the death of Kiwane Carrington, and any decisions based on this investigation, are invalid because the process to determine what happened on Oct. 9, 2009, that resulted in the shooting death of Kiwane Carrington appears contaminated," said Champaign County Board member Carol Ammons of CU Citizens for Peace and Justice on Monday.
Kiwane Carrington's aunt, Rhonda Williams, also questioned the investigation.
"I don't feel we are going to get a fair shake on the report," Williams said. "I really believe we need an independent investigation besides the Champaign County investigation. You will never get me to believe that he resisted or scuffled with police. He was a timid, 15-year-old youth who looked like a baby."
But Rietz said her work has been completely objective.
"It is disappointing to me that these individuals have such strong opinions about an investigation they have not even seen," Rietz said. "All the interviews that were conducted were recorded. All the evidence was properly preserved. All aspects of the investigation were conducted by investigators who have an ethical obligation to this community and the law. It is outrageous to suggest we would violate our ethical obligations as has been suggested by these individuals."
Ammons said Rietz is not objective because she accepted the testimony of Champaign Police Chief R. T. Finney and Officer Daniel Norbits in the prosecution of the second youth at the scene for resisting a police officer.
"The rules of professional conduct mandate that representing one client at the expense of another is strictly prohibited," Ammons said. "She should not be allowed to evaluate the investigation into the behavior of Chief Finney and Officer Norbits."
"I received sufficient evidence with regard to Jeshaun Manning-Carter's case to make a charging decision at that time," Rietz said. "That fact has nothing to do with my ability to review the evidence when it comes to the actions of Officer Norbits."
Ammons cited an Oct. 11 e-mail by Champaign City Manager Steve Carter saying Rietz "responded to the scene and will provide some consultation for the investigation," and an Oct. 27 e-mail by council member Marci Dodds saying Rietz had been participating in the investigation.
"There isn't a major investigation that I haven't been a part of or a crime scene that I or another member of my staff have not been at," Rietz said. "I have to make sure that proper procedure is followed in an investigation. I am a visual person. I like to see the scene for myself so I can get a perspective on what happened. You can't do that just from looking at pictures and reading reports.
"There is absolutely nothing inappropriate in being involved. It would be irresponsible not to have been there," she said.
Ammons said her group was insisting that a special prosecutor outside of Champaign County be assigned to the case.
"The state's attorney has demonstrated that she is not an objective and unbiased reviewer of the police investigation," Ammons said.
Rietz said she did discuss this case with the attorney general's office staff early on.
"In the end, we all agreed that it is not the attorney general's job to make hard decisions for me," Rietz said. "I was elected state's attorney in this county, and it is my job to make these hard decisions. I'm not going to pass that off on the attorney general's office or onto an attorney who is not accountable to this community."
CU Citizens for Peace and Justice member Mark Enslin called for Finney's resignation, the dropping of all charges against Manning-Carter, the rewriting of Champaign's use of force policy, the creation of an independent police review board with subpoena powers and the banning of Tasers.
Champaign police do not use or own Tasers.
"Something is fundamentally wrong with police procedure when the mistaken assumption about a burglary leads to guns drawn, ransacking of a home and the killing of a young person," Enslin said.
Staff writer Mary Schenk contributed to this story.
What is Rietz' problem?
Rietz said, "I received sufficient evidence with regard to Jeshaun Manning-Carter's case to make a charging decision at that time," to dismiss her conflict of interest.
What she fails to either understand or is concealing, is that the "sufficient evidence" she received is from the word of police officers being investigated, and the surviving youth is the witness to what the officers did to Kiwane. CUCPJ is right to point out the conflict of interest.
For Annonymous 9:34
For Annonymous 9:34 p.m.
CUCPJ has been extremely consistent about holding to account anyone's misdeeds, including private citizens. CUCPJ has sponsored events, like Forgiveness Weekend, discussing the problems of black on black crime, the ignorance and self-destruction that is ingrained in some poor peoples; and just recently facilitated an anti-drug dealing/anti-thug-life seminar with Hip Hop Detoxx and former crack dealer Freeway Rick Ross directed exactly at black youth.
The Kiwane Carrington killing represents a complete breakdown of law and order. More and more of the good guys, including the Chief of Police, are sanctioning violence against unarmed youth, and is another symptom of the escalating violence police are being trained to use against the citizenry for the slightest perceived infractions. Police misconduct, both in violent acts and the subsequent cover-up of those violent acts, have become a consistent problem over the years that goes hand in hand with the addiction, violence, and ignorance in the poor communities. When the good guys become criminals, we have no chance against the criminals- to put it in a worldly view.
What's disappointing is posters like Annonymous 9:34 p.m. use the death of the Mahomet woman to ignore and excuse police misconduct.
Unlike the Kiwane Carrington killing, we don't have a situation in Mahomet where the government, the police department, and the media are white-washing the killing of the Mahomet mother; excusing it perhaps by calling the murder "justified" because "the mother's school attendance was poor", assuming "she has no respect for authority", or she wore hip hop clothing. (Or was unmarried and slept around and used drugs for instance.) How would we feel if law enforcement came back in the Mahomet murder case and said, "Well, we found out she was cheating on her boyfriend at the time, so she probably had it coming. We aren't going to prosecute."? Instead, law enforcement is taking the situation seriously, no matter who she was or what she did, as they should, and we hope police are vigorously pursuing the evidence to hold the murderers accountable.
Not so with Kiwane's case, and that is why Kiwane's case generates more attention. His murder is being officially sanctioned.
As for the Robert Arnette case Annonymous 9:34 p.m. cites, CUCPJ has been consistent in its outrage that probation is often given to sex offenders which Arnette was given some months prior to Naomi Arnette's disappearance. Had the same prosecutor who prosecuted Arnette for murder not arranged for a plea bargain to probation in February of 2007 for rape, perhaps Naomi would still be alive. That's the systemic injustice CUCPJ is against. Annonymous 9:34p.m. is encouraged to join CUCPJ to help with ending violence of all kinds in our community.
WILL 580 coverage
Story date: Monday, December 07, 2009 from AM580 News
Champaign County State’s Attorney Julia Reitz has completed her review of a state police investigation in the October police shooting death of a Champaign teen.
Reitz confirms she had scheduled an appointment to meet with the family of Kiwane Carrington Tuesday morning, and it’s not known how soon the report will be made public after that meeting. But a group led by CU Citizens for Peace and Justice says it’s a foregone conclusion the officers involved in the October 9th shooting of the 15-year old won’t face criminal charges. They’re calling for reviews of the case from a special prosecutor and federal Department of Justice. Those with the civil rights group point to that fact that both officers are currently on the job. Champaign Police Chief R.T. Finney remains on duty, while City Manager Steve Carter confirmed last week that officer Daniel Norbits was doing some office work after being placed on paid leave.
The activists also contend that the public can’t trust a multi-jurisdictional team that helped state police in their investigation since many of them are friends and often work together. Rhonda Williams is Kiwane Carrington’s aunt. “I feel the information probably has been tamperered with,” says Williams. “I think that they all stick together with one another and my nephew’s not here to tell his side of the story. So basically we’re just going on what the officer’s story is.” Through e-mails obtained through Freedom of Information requests,
CU Citizens for Peace and Justice also contends that some key eyewitnesses of the shooting were never interviewed. And the group’s Aaron Ammons says it’s ‘disturbing’ that Champaign city council members would send e-mails to Reitz regarding the investigation.
“The Champaign City Council, as Tom Bruno has alluded to on many occasions, is the review board of the Champaign Police Department,” says Ammons. “So we find it very disturbing that members of the city council would be sending information to Julia Reitz, who’s criminally investigating two of the officers.”
In media reports, Reitz calls her work completely objective, and said it’s outrageous to suggest that her office would violate its ethical obligations.
Uh.......... isnt the groups
Uh.......... isnt the groups name Champaign Urbana Peace and Justice. Wouldnt that include all those who have been victims of violence?
Rietz rules accidental
The St. Attorney had no press conference as expected this morning.
She simply walked out of her office and passed out copies of the Illinois State Police report to those media who had requested it.
The IMC has a copy of the report which we are currently reviewing.
Rietz said media could set up appointments to talke with her, "except for Mr. Dolinar."
The death was ruled an accident.
BD
In bed with the police
Rietz has recused herself on a previous occasion because of her boyfreind in blue.
This time, how about if we ask for his name?
- ROKNICH,
Galesburg, Illinois
What?
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
Her husband works for Urbana, not Champaign.
She is the lawfully elected attorney representing the People of Champaign County.
Rietz and Hubby
Mr. Roknich:
Julia Rietz has made no secret of the fact that her spouse is an officer with the Urbana Police Department. This relationship was known when she first ran for office and it's only been since her election that individuals have questioned her judgement due to who she is married to. I don't know how long they have been married, but her own website does give his name as Al Johnston.
http://www.juliarietz.org/julia.htm
It is far more productive for residents of Champaign County to question her decisions that she has made since taking office. Setting aside who she is married to Rietz's office has given lenient treatment to members of law enforcement who have been accused of criminal conduct. Typically this has been in the form of having a 'special' prosecutor investigate allegations. Proximity is often the greatest predictor of human relationships and individuals who are beyond college age are most likely to make romantic connections with people who they share social/professional/religious connections with.
You made the comment in another section that it's too bad the University of Illinois can't just pick itself up and move. My question here then how would that change anything? The U of I is where Ms. Rietz received her law degree and many of the residents in this area either graduated from and/or work for the university. If anything the institutional racism that is within the hallowed walls of the university is part of the problem that affects this community. Just look at the number of "Chief" logos that people and businesses use in this town paying homage to a half-time minstrel show. The U of I is also involved in much of the police training that goes on in this area so...some of the things that need to be addressed are the educational environments that place the RT Finneys and the Rietz's in our path.
Just something to consider here.
Al Johnston and Julia Rietz, married in 2005
Al Johnston and Julia Rietz were married in 2005, sometime between 08/25/2005 and 10/08/2005.
For what it is worth, the date of June 8, 2010 was declared Al Johnston Day in honor of his 23 year service with the Urbana Police Department.
To his credit in one incident, Officer Al Johnston immediately reported that his loaded gun was lost, and he actively searched for it. He was on his way to a security job when he placed the gun on the roof of his vehicle and forgot to retrieve it before he drove off.
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The two of them, Julia Rietz and Al Johnston, were friends with Officer Kurt Hjort, who was accused of raping a woman while on-duty, July 22, 2005. The young woman said that she had met Hjort on her first day on the job as a clerk at Bigfoot, 1809 N. Cunningham Ave., U. After finishing her shift, she went back to her Urbana residence and was sitting on her apartment's front stairs when Hjort pulled up in an Urbana squad car. [How did he get her address?]
* The hospital made the report.
* Julia Rietz recused herself from the case July 25, 2005.
* Hjort resigned from the police force on Sept. 21, 2005.
* Urbana attorney Jim Dedman was appointed as a special prosecutor to review the case for potential criminal charges. Dedman decided in October, 2005 not to bring charges against Hjort, saying the case for aggravated criminal sexual assault and official misconduct could not be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
* A federal suit was filed against the City of Urbana October 6, 2005 for deprivation of the victim's civil rights by a police officer. The suit alleged that Hjort had committed at least three prior incidents of sexual misconduct while on the job and that former Urbana Police Chief Eddie Adair knew about those incidents.
* The City of Urbana, in on out of court settlement, agreed to pay the accuser an undisclosed amount. The suit had asked for $10 million in compensatory damages and $10 million in punitive damages, but the out of court settlement terms were confidential.
* The total amount exceeded Urbana's deductible of $100,000 The deductible was paid by the City's liability fund. The City's insurer paid the rest of the settlement amount.
* The out-of-court settlement was reached and the case dismissed April 12, 2006 in U.S. District Court in Peoria.
Media?
You guys just said earlier that you aren't professional media and don't employ journalists.
Just because I like playing GI Joe doesn't mean I can sit in on Pentagon meetings.
Besides, all you've done is trash her - why would she want to talk to you?
You would be surprised to know....
There are many individuals with backgrounds in journalism and communication who have done extensive volunteer work with the IMC. Even many professional media outlets have taken advantage of citizen journalism to get stories they would not otherwise have access to. The primary difference has been in the gatekeeping functions of Indymedia v. traditional media.
Why not Mr. Dolinar?
Why won't the State's Attorney let Brian Dolinar speak with her?
Because...
Because she knows how dishonest he is. Just a couple weeks ago, he lied about something she said.
http://www.ucimc.org/content/courthouse-rally-kiwane-case-%E2%80%9Cfelonies-ain%E2%80%99t-favors-plea-bargains-ain%E2%80%99t-either%E2%80%9D#comment-8140
How many chances does he get to act like an honest reporter?
Police must resign - or people must remove them
You can't have the police policing the police. Even a DOJ investigation wouldn't be impartial. And this points to the reason we must all resist the police's invasion into our neighborhoods and criminalization of an entire generation of black youth?
Remember what happened in Oakland with the police execution of Oscar Grant, very similar to Kiwane's killing?
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2009/07/12/18607212.php
People got in the street. Not just that - they rioted. They showed that the police need to be afraid of the people, not the other way around, because they may have most of the guns but we have most of the numbers, and we have most of the resolve. If the people wanted to raise hell, we could. And then: the cop executioner was given murder charges, finally. Unpermitted protest works. Riots work.
Take to the streets!
Riot?
Rioting only hurts people who aren't involved.
Do you think rioting in a civilized society makes your point made?
Do you think the police and citizens are going to sit back and go, "Hey.. those guys are right!" ?
Rioting is a violation of both law and morality. You have the right to peaceably assemble and express yourself. You do not have a right to endanger the public.
Any opinions that you might have swung your way.. any minds you might have enlightened.. any progress you might have created to effect change and demonstrate problems with CPD will immediately be marginalized.
Take the high road.
Dumb and Dumber
While I will certainly agree that protest works, the rest of your suggestions aren't very useful.
There is no need for permits to protest in our communit, so why make a big deal about "unpermitted protest"?
I don't think rioting is useful either. CPD has shown themselves to be more than willing to react and overreact with violence -- and apparently even be rather clumsy about it. That appears to be why one young man is dead, at the very least. There's no point in serving up more victims to them.
My assessment of your post is that you're an agent provacateur meant to discredit CUCPJ and others in our community working peacefully to bring about much needed change.
Or you're just plain stupid.
Please refrain from spewing further crap like that.
Then who should review the
Then who should review the facts if not outside police agencies? Racist individuals with their own agenda-- I.E. Citizens for Peace and Justice and UCIMC?!. These groups are doing nothing to help this situation or to bring this community together, and none of you did anything to help this child when he was alive nor are you helping numerous other delinquent children by filling their minds with hate and ignorance. Taking them out of school to listen to your trash rather than keeping them in school where they can earn their education and become productive citizens. You’re using his death as a stepping stone to scream out your own prejudices. You cause more hate in this community then you do good. You spout lies and call it the truth. The report is clear: The only ones to change their statements were those harboring a runaway in an effort to conform to what you want them to say—statements to better support you “white-hating” cause. You’re groups are less than credible and you should be denied any further public access to spew your hatred.
To Annonymous 8:11 a.m.
Setting aside the almost laughable irony of your spewed hatred, you are invited to a meeting of CUCPJ. As for who changed their statements, and has decieved the public, concealing information about the shooting (remember, the shooting is what the investigation was supposed to be about); it was and has been the police department and the city government.
CUCPJ has been consistent in its attempts to engage all peoples in healthy and productive lifestyles from its inception. Unlike the school districts, the governments, the United Way, churches, ect. CUCPJ has no real source of income, and no paid staff to offer daily programming for youth and the poor. Everything CUCPJ has done, from hosting seminars, teach-ins, media, gardening classes, ect. has been done by volunteers and donated monies in a hat. You seem to focus on the tew demonstrations CUCPJ has organized against documented cases of injustice by the government, which you apparently don't like. If you were to come to the meetings (and we know you will since its you who harbors no prejudice) you would learn what CUCPJ is really trying to accomplish. Be warned, however, the rule of CUCPJ is this: if you think of a good idea, you are in charge of organizing it. So expect to be appointed leader ofhelping children while they are alive. We have recently hosted a seminar with Hip Hop Detoxx last week and would appreciate additional input and energy. Your concern for children's education is exactly needed in this hour. Thank you for your concern and we look forward to meeting you at the next and future meetings. Saturday, 4:00p.m., Urbana Post Office.
You call my words laughable
You call my words laughable only because you cannot make a credible argument against what I said. The thought of listening to the ignorance and hatred toward any race other than the black race preached by CUCPJ and the Independent Media Group at these "meetings" is nothing that I would subject myself to, nor would I recommend anyone who truly cares and wants to make a difference in their community to attend. As much as you may like for there to be a "conspiracy" among the police and higher forms of government, the fact is that all reports were submitted and PRINTED in the News Gazette this morning, clearly showing that witnesses changed their TAPED statements to be more in line with what irrational citizen groups, and people like you wanted the facts to be. There is no doubt in my mind that a child dying is tragic, but trying to make it anything other than a lawful accident, which these groups are trying to do, is simply insighting violence rather than calming the tides that currently batter our community. I have volunteered my time to many worthy causes that help not only children, but the elderly and the homeless. Not once did I suggest they stand up against the Police, as I know full well (as someone who has been at the wrong end of an officer's gun) how that can quickly turn into a bad situation. I realized then as I realize now that the Officer was protecting his safety until all doubt was gone about what was currently happening. I immediately went to the ground, and when all was said and done I was released as I was not involved in the crime that was occurring--I was a simple bystander, but I did not argue with police. Spewing words of hate to the masses in an effort to have them rally behind me is your job, not mine. My concern is for where groups like this are leading this community, not if I am offending your shaky take on the issue.
You Don't Have a Clue
The thought of listening to the ignorance and hatred toward any race other than the black race preached by CUCPJ and the Independent Media Group at these "meetings" is nothing that I would subject myself to, nor would I recommend anyone who truly cares and wants to make a difference in their community to attend.
I can say for sure that you have never attended any CUCPJ meetings, events, or marches -- or for that matter even read about them in the press (including the Nwews-Gazette) or on TV. Because if you had, you would have been able to clearly see that it is a group drawn from all races, creeds, walks of life, etc.
If you think this is about "hatred toward any race other than the black race" then your reading comprehension is abysmal or you just haven't bothered to read it at all.
For one, CUCPJ is separate from the IMC. The IMC provides a variety of media and meeting space that is accessible to the community. The IMC does not make decisions about what CUCPJ does nor does it organize events on behalf of CUCPJ. You're just plain wrong about that.
Turning back to CUCPJ, what their concerns are about are the vast racial disparities that exist between how African-Americans are treated in Champaign County in comparison to how others are treated. These continue to exist despite the fact that blacks are no more likely than other races to use drugs.
Now, once you have explained your own "ignorance and hate" about these points, come back and lets talk rationally about the facts and not your irrational "truthiness."
I have read every post, every
I have read every post, every letter, every news article, and I have remained silent but angry about many of the things I have heard coming from the leadership of CUCPJ. Neither you, nor anyone else on this message board has answered the questions posed--Are you using this child's name to serve your own agenda or are you truly trying to make a change for the better in our community?! I think the group wants to remain in the spotlight as long as possible and not for the welfare of our community or our children. I have heard the hate coming from the mouths of those who call themselves leaders. I watch as people and children, beat on cars and destroyed public and private property during the marches, the vigil, and Kiwain's funeral. I watched innocent people become trapped in the middle of the street and as an MTD bus driver got every window knocked out of his bus by a group of teenagers after leaders called for the community to "stand up" against authority. Don't speak to me about ignorance and hate--This is what you wanted and it in no way helped bring this community together. I am tired of hearing this group insight anger and violence in our community. I am tired of you acting as if you are the only people in America to suffer with addiction, poverty and misunderstanding. I am angry with the "Leaders" for using the death of a child in our community to further their political ambitions with their "white-wash" theories. You are not open minded and you accuse others of the same. You become enraged with anyone who opposes your view--Of coarse anyone who disagrees with your account must be racist. I truly believe CUCPJ is exactly that--racist. Newsflash: Teaching children of any race to hate is WRONG and CUCPJ is doing just that.
If this is not the point CUCPJ is trying to bring to the masses, then consider for once what you are putting out there. If I take what you say out of context, how do you think the youth in this community are taking what you say. Look at them. Hear them. They believe you area giving them the ok to be out of control all in the name of Kiwaine.
Accountability Is NOT Hate
It's nonsense to say that demanding accountability and transparency from the police and government of the city of Champaign is "hate." Your clumsy attempts to twist it into "hate" and "racism" would be laughable if it wasn't for the fact that the situation is so tragic and the excuses and reports from the police and state's attroney weren't so pathetically lame.
No one in CUCPJ has anything personally to gain from this. Given the veiled threats posted here, as letters to the editor, and now people like you who insist that citizens demanding accountability are somehow "haters," people in CUCPJ are actually taking risks with their own freedom and physical well being by standing up for justice for Kiwane.
No one wants to be a martyr. Not Kiwane, not his relatives, not his friends, not people in CUCPJ. Yet the escalating rhetoric of people like you indicates this may yet occur. People are peacefully asking for what all Americans have the right to ask. You act like they are preparing to riot, as some idiot tried to call for and was immediately told to STFU by cooler heads here.
It's the right of citizens to protest. To call that hate is nonsense and unAmerican.
To Annonymous 10:16
Forgive me for calling your words laughable. Such a phrase could sound like I'm belittling you and your sincerity. That was not my intent. I only react with laughter at how completely 180-degrees wrong your mischaracterization of CUCPJ is. It's perfectly understandable you might come to your conclusions since you have never been to a meeting, event, or met the people who are in CUCPJ. It would be helpful to understand your opinion if you shared reasons for your opinions (accusations?) but you are not required to do so. Perhaps you have already provided reasons.
You say you are one who "truly cares and wants to make a difference in their community". I can't imagine someone like you would not want to attend meetings that address how we as adults can inspire children, especially poor children, onto academic success. I can't imagine you wouldn't want to discuss how to educate the community and ourselves about our government, our police and court system, our prison system, our real estate system, American civil rights and voting rights. I can't imagine you wouldn't want to attend the formation of classes that would share with people the expertise of gardening your own food, or sewing your own clothes. I can't imagine you wouldn't want to attend teach-ins on how to leave behind the incarceration of a person's mind and soul to racism and drug/alcohol/sex addiction. I can't imagine you wouldn't want to attend a presentation to black youth about the misconceptions and falsehoods being sold in some popular hip hop songs. Surely you would want to attend a seminar for youth on the absolute betrayal to your community and self that self drug dealing represents?
You completely agree with CUCPJ's position regarding the Kiwane Carrington reckless accident: "a child dying is tragic", and it is from that position CUCPJ has iniated action at the request of the family. Read that carefully,... at the request of the family.
We have engaged for years in dialogue directly with the State's Attorney's office, the police departments, the public defender's office, the News-Gazette and government representatives. We have offered documentation of grievances, and assured them we would like to help improve their performance and solve the problems in the community. You might be surprised to know, many of our members helped with the current State's Attorney's political campaign to defeat John Piland in 2004 and she marched in the first Unity March at Westside Park. You may be surprised to learn that members of CUCPJ are currently working with officials at the County Courthouse to craft policies to diversify the jury pools selected to hear evidence against criminal defendants. It's these type of reasoned, civil, and productive meetings CUCPJ seeks to engage in.
Like you, we interact with the children, the poor, and the minority community. We listen to their stories. And we hear their complaints, their grievances. We carefully consider the truth of those stories. When we can verify the legitimacy of a complaint, we do what very little we can.
We believe that there has been a consistent pattern of police and legal misconduct by a few bad apples. Their behavior is the source of the current disrespect for police and authority you see among some of the black and poor youth who have experienced a taste of the bad apple. A reaction CUCPJ has no oversight over. That behavior of some officers, the failure of command staff to address it, and the free pass some lawyers give it, have provoked the attitude and the violence you fear. We've been warning everyone for years that local police, the policies they obey, and the cover-ups at the courthouse are making people angry.
One of our members even predicted a Kiwane Carrignton situation was going to happen two weeks before Oct. 9, when he noticed over this past summer that it had become routine policy for Champaign police to approach teenagers with guns drawn- a position our State's Attorney stated was the case on the radio recently. When our member attempted to talk to police about it, they rejected him. Now the police want to tell everyone they are sorry, it was an accident.
That's frustrating. And yes, it is time to demand better, with peaceful actions like marches, boycotts, organizing votes, organizing video crews to start taping police again, and yes, requesting our government change department leadership, like we do in every election, like every organization does when a cheater is found in its administration. Please re-read the list of demands CUCPJ has called for in other threads. Not one demand involves violent retaliation.
Were you a member of CUCPJ, we would nominate you to lead the class on how to interact with an officer. You clearly have good experience. Hopefully, another Kiwane would attend.
Again, no one is paid, no one is an expert at CUCPJ. And frankly, members of CUCPJ are growing tired of the individual complaints and the discovered misconduct going on in Champaign County. And so very few people have been willing or able to stay consistently involved. Over the last 5 years of CUCPJ's existence, average attendance has been only 15 people at a meeting. Now how can so few people be creating all these complaints about police officers and the legal community?
The film Citizens Watch was done in 2004. Have you seen it? Maybe you should, Annonymous 10:16. People like yourself were shocked, and had no clue their local police department behaved that way. On tape we see an officer falsifying an incident, on tape we see an officer arguing and accusing a youth (who would later be beaten and peppered sprayed for not showing his I.D. in 2007) of setting fireworks off while all around the both of them, fireworks are sounding off. On tape we see numerous Champaign police officers monitoring Downtown Champaign bar-goers with pepper spray clearly displayed at the ready- while at the exact same time and night, not one police officer is around to monitor students on campus leaving the bars doing crimes right there on camera. The only difference between the two situations? RACE of bar patron.
It's not CUCPJ that's made law enforcement a racial issue. It's the police and courts. The statistics tell the story. We at CUCPJ aren't even sure if its a race distinction the police and the attorneys pre-judge. It might be class. Come and join us and lead the research to disprove it if you want.
We share your concern, Anon. 10:16, we don't want there to be violence and hatred. Help us to end it.
The Point of the Criticism So Far
I think some people, including State's Attorney Rietz herself, have completely missed the point of what CUCPJ said on Monday. It is not about what is in the report, which CUCPJ didn't receive until today.
The problem is that all pretense to maintain even the basic semblance of objectivity has been discarded long ago during the investigation by the state's attorney. The investigation by a group of local officers who work closely with the officers they are investigating is little better.
It amounts to having Officer Fife investigating Sheriff Andy if Mayberry had a similar incident. No one would believe that to be an "objective" investigation. SA Rietz declaring this to be "objective" is exactly the same. Without opening the first page of the actual report, it is tainted by being conducted and reviewed by those a far too close relationship, both personal and professional, between those who are involved. The appearance of a fair, honest, and independent investigation is nothing except a pretense that certainly didn't take an extra month to rubber stamp out the door of Ms. Rietz's office.
As for Ms. Rietz consulting with Attorney General Lisa Madigan about the issue of appointing a special prosecutor, it is regrettable that both seem to be unwilling to challenge the status quo of the existing old boys' network that rules the state of Illinois. Both have benefited from what seemed at first to be their own breaking of the glass ceiling in the oh so dirty world of Illinois politics. It is especially disheartening to find out that they are more than willing to sell out the hopes placed in them by voters and citizens to bring about change by continuing to pander to the easy way out on this.
And that was certainly no accident.
Meanwhile, it will be interesting to see what is in the report itself and how the "accident" in which Norbits' weapon took Kiwane's life actually occured. When my dad first handed me a gun as a kid, he told me "There are NO accidents with guns, only fools that hold them."
One agreement
I absolutely agree with you that a modern firearm cannot fire without human action.
- All guns are always loaded
- Never let the muzzle cross anything you are not prepared to kill
- Know your target and what's beyond it
- Never place your finger on the trigger unless you have decided to kill the target
- Maintain control of your weapon at all times.
The five rules of gun ownership. If any one of them had been followed the death would not have occured.
While the intent was accidental the discharge was caused by human action.
Poor Young Man
The poor young man I referred to in my original post was Mr. Carrington.
You are dishonoring his memory by using him as a symbol of your own selfish needs for attention.
CUCPJ has repeatedly made scenes at Champaign City Council meetings, throwing around hyperbole and faux-disgust, inciting panic (in the case of the screaming tirade and selective reading of the police use-of-force report), and made threats of unrest and rioting.
Aaron Ammons and Danielle Chynoweth in particular continue to make baseless and sensationalist allegations against Champaign despite the fact that neither lives there.
If you are truly concerned with peace and justice then organize for Reflection instead of Outrage. Promote Understanding instead of Conflict.
Finally, stop using adjectives to classify members of our community. We are all people. We are all human. Drop these artificial value judgements based on race, or occupation or political persuasion. There is no 'black' community and 'white' community. As progressives you should realize or at least work toward this.
You have the potential to be the legitimate representatives for Peace and Justice in C/U. You also have the potential to incite a negative group dynamic based on your actions and words.
Take the high road. Be dignified. Refuse to condemn -- this is the principle courtwatch started with... unfair condemnation.
Above all, promote forgiveness, atonement and intelligent compassionate means to solve this hurting community.
Here is the problem
I'm assuming you are the anonymous poster I responded to earlier. As I pointed out earlier you are welcome to attend meetings and speak your mind regarding what is going on in the community. If you have nothing better to do with your time than to engage in accusations and finger pointing of your own that is too bad.
I can't speak for other members of CUCPJ, but I really don't see myself as a progressive in many respects. In some respects I'm actually fairly conservative and in other respects liberal. Plus I'm not so naive as to think we can live in a colorblind society at this point. In fact the colorblind stance is one that can perpetuate racism in ways that drive the current situation underground.
I could choose to remain anonymous, but what purpose would that really serve?
What now?
So where does that leave us?
What actions are CUCPJ advocating now regarding the report?
I completed reading the SA report and it seems reasonable to me.
"Riots work. Take to the
"Riots work.
Take to the streets!"
What the fuck is wrong with you???? You might be the next one shot by the police! Grow the fuck up!!!!!!!
Original Poser
Hi,
I am the original poster and I wanted to create a login so it would not appear that I am hiding behind anonymity.
I also wrote the 'gun rules' post and the recent one calling on CUCPJ to help the community recover.
One thing I would hope we can all agree on wholeheartedly is that our community is hurting. How can we expect black youths to obey police now? How can we expect police to treat black youths equitably now?
The only answer is dialogue. The police department must evolve into a more compassionate and respectful organization. The young people of our community must be taught to obey lawful orders (this does not mean unquestioningly -- it simply means that there is a time and place to sort out the details and it's not at the barrel of a gun).
HA HA HA!! I just realized I called myself the "Original Poser".
I hope everyone can get a good laugh out of this. I know I did!
Dial Direct
If States Attorney Madigan refuses to address this, she must go.
Civil suit filed in Kiwane case
Teen's sister files wrongful-death suit against city, police
By Paul Wood
Wednesday December 9, 2009
URBANA – The sister and guardian of Kiwane Carrington has sued the city and the officer involved in her brother's death.
James Montgomery Jr. of Chicago, son of University of Illinois Trustee James Montgomery Sr., filed a wrongful-death suit Nov. 16 in Champaign County Court on behalf of Kenesha Williams, who is the representative of Mr. Carrington's estate.
The Carrington suit alleges that Officer Daniel Norbits, who is now on administrative leave, along with Champaign Police Chief R.T. Finney, confronted Mr. Carrington on Oct. 9.
According to the suit, the officer "pushed Kiwane Carrington back on to the threshold of the door in the side yard of 906 W. Vine St. ... Defendant City of Champaign, acting by and through Daniel Norbits, pointed his gun ... and fired a shot into the chest of Kiwane Carrington."
At the time, the suit said, Mr. Carrington "was not armed with any gun or any other deadly weapon, nor did he pose a threat to defendant city of Champaign or its agents," Norbits or Finney.
Neither Finney nor Norbits could be reached for comment Tuesday evening.
Champaign City Attorney Fred Stavins said the city hasn't been served, so he was unaware a suit was actually on file. Stavins said his only communication with Montgomery was a letter from his firm shortly after the shooting requesting that all evidence be preserved.
Williams, Mr. Carrington's guardian since his mother died last year, could not be reached for comment.
Montgomery's firm has experience in several wrongful-death suits.
"Probably the biggest police shooting case we've handled was Haggerty v. City of Chicago, where the Chicago police shot and killed an unarmed female passenger, LaTanya Haggerty, in a vehicle without justification," Montgomery said Tuesday.
Haggerty was a 26-year-old computer analyst, when, as a passenger, she became involved in a car chase by police on 1999. She was shot and killed by an Chicago police officer, who said she fired after mistaking a shiny object in Haggerty's hand for a weapon. That case settled in 2001 for $18 million.
Montgomery's firm also won a $4.4 million verdict in Tennessee for the wrongful death of a 32-year-old autistic man who was killed while being restrained by three Nashville police officers.
Reflection on Greg Brown case
This reflection on the Greg Brown case by Doug Hoepker at SmilePolitely.com:
This case just took another sad, eerie turn for me. Somehow, I had missed the Greg Brown link you mention. That incident, which until now I had not linked to Officer Norbits, is particularly disturbing to me because: a) it does clearly show a potential history of violence and provocation on the part of Officer Norbits that should have been further examined, and b) I “witnessed” that killing, and it makes my stomach turn still today to think of it.
It all happened late at night outside my bedroom window. I was on the third floor of the apartment building at which the beating occurred and hence could not see much of what happened (they had Mr. Brown up against the building, so looking down into the darkness provided a tough angle), but I could definitely hear it. My memory of that incident is largely faulty now, because I’ve blocked a lot of it out as it was troubling and bothered me for some time. Unfortunately, what has stayed with me was the sounds of that beating.
I was interviewed by the police and investigators (as well as the news), and I recall some details: 1) Mr. Brown was not a mentally stable person; 2) He was largely minding his own business when the cops came upon him, spooked him with their requests to speak with him and then their attempts to subdue him (sound familiar?); and 3) After beating him, Mr. Brown stopped breathing (and, if memory serves, he may have been unconscious, too), yet the horde of police there did not administer CPR and awaited the ambulance. By the time the paramedics arrived, it was too late for Mr. Brown.
Uh...........................
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Where is your concern for Officer John Kim who was being choked to death by Gregory Brown. Remember he was choked until he was unconcious. Or is the aggravated battery of a police officer not a concern to you? They tried everything short of a round to his head ( which I believe Mr. Brown deserved that night) to get him off of Officer Kim. It sickens me that your more concerned over some POS than you are a Police Officer.
Hardly a Fair Fight Then?
I heard that after the beginning of the fight, Mr. Brown did grab an officer by the throat. I don't recall the officer being described as "choked until he was unconcious."
In any event, it was about that time when a number of other officers arrived and proceeded to beat Mr. Brown until he went into cardiac arrest or whatever killed him. The public was told that they were simply restrained Mr. Brown. Your point of view throws yet another light on thopse events, one that unfortunately seems to confirm the comments that you take issue with.
Since Mr. Brown was a mentally disturbed person who had been panicked, I am not surprised that he did something violent, unreasonable, criminal except perhaps for his mental impairment, and dangerous.
I find your reaction alarming. Mr. Brown was not a POS. When Officer Kim and, I presume, you took on your service, you did so knowing that there would be bad nights and that you might be called upon to take risks in serving your community.
Your community included Mr. Brown.
If you somehow believe that it did not then or that it does not now include people like him, then you are not fit to serve any longer. You certainly endanger our community. And you potentially endanger others you serve with now and, quite frankly, yourself, if that's the way you feel about other members of the human race. You've lost the ability to feel compassionate connection to others and that endangers us all.
Death
Brown did not die from being 'beaten' by police.
He died from asphyxiation and subsequent cardiac arrest because his hands and feet were restrained behind him and he was placed face down in the police car.
If I remember correctly he had near total blockage of his coronary arteries due to medical condition.
There have been a number of these types of death in police custody across the country and the result has been that departments have changed their policy.
I honestly don't understand the repeated defense of people here who attack cops and ignore lawful orders to stop.
I don't care how much you hate the police or what your perception of injustice is you must obey commands from a police officer. If you feel your civil rights were violated then you deal with it later.
This society is based upon the rule of law. Laws are made by democratically elected legislators, not the cops.
If Police Were Treated Like Civilians, And Why Tolerate It?
I didn't write that Brown died directly from being beaten by police. Check yourself.
But let's consider if police were treated by the same standard of accountability that civilians are. What happened before Brown died could certainly have been used against them in court. Rob a bank and cause a teller to have a heart attack? That might just catch up with you in court. Heck, I think there is someone in Missouri who stuck up a gas station and a cop responding from 40 miles away had an accident and killed someone. Murder charge.
If Brown's medical condition was important enough to note, then let's consider his mental condition. That was part of his medical condition, too. You can't have it both ways. Maybe you're just looking for a reason to excuse what happened that night? I'm more interested in learning something that will keep it from happening again.
And that's the problem everytime somebody dies and it just gets written off to some puerile and trite "This society is based upon the rule of law. Laws are made by democratically elected legislators, not the cops."
I think if you asked a state legislator, they will probably agree that they don't make laws to give the police an excuse to not learn from their mistakes. But that is EXACTLY what happens when the state's attorney can be counted on to pass out her "stay out of jail free" cards every time a cop screws up.
Brown didn't hate the police. He feared the police because he was mentally ill. And it appears that there also was reason for him to do so, based on what happened to him. In any case, those that object to what happened to Brown can't bring him back. And it has been time to deal with the violation of his civil righst for some ten years now, so you can just get down off the high horse you rode in on, because "later" is definitely now -- and the death toll is just growing higher.
Maybe that will help you understand why people are upset. Sure there have been some minor changes. They seem to have made little difference in practice in certain jusridictions. Or Toto might be alive right now. Others might be alive right now.
And most of all, your first priority would be to ask "What can we do to prevent this from happening again?" instead of "It was his own damn fauklt for disrespecting me and my buddies on the force!"
I can undersatnd why we still have mentally disturbed people. I can understand why we still have immature and wayward youth. I can not undersatnd why the public has to tolerate ever more aggaressive, yet increasingly less professional police that appear to be concentrated in certain jurisdictions. The fact that there also exist good departments tells us that the bad departments can do better. The real question is why are the bad actors still being tolerated?
Show me where it says that
Show me where it says that its part of the job to be choked to death. Officer Kim spent 5 days in the hospital as a result of this incident. If you bothered to read the report Mr. Brown was dumpster diving at 4am. Officer Kim saw him and asked what he was doing. ( remember the Olympic Park bombings suspect was caught dumpster diving after the Feds looked for years for him) Officer Kim was simply asking his name when he was attacked by the suspect and put on this back, with the suspects hands around his neck causing him to quit breathing ( the Officer) Numerous officers responded to the scene and tried to get the suspect to quit choking the officer.
Were they suppose to do a cardiac history of the guy before they fought him or after.
Once again, take that 911 speed dial off your phone. make everyone's life easier. Dont EVER call the police, they might actually be injured trying to help you.
I'm sure it doesn't say that
I'm sure it doesn't say that part of the job is to get choked to death. Why would you think that anyone would assume such a thing?
It does say that part of the job is to leave judgment up to the courts. If you can't do that, then you're no longer qualified to serve.
I also think that offering the idea of harrassing dumpster divers at 4am is what it takes to catch bombing suspects in the absence of some specific, local threat is bordering on delusional, but since you're not the only one to invoke new frontiers in homeland security to harass ordinary Americans in new ways, I'll give you a pass on that. Not very credible in any case.
I think the story of that night still needs someone to take the numerous different stories, reports and facts and try to make sense of it all. I'm not sure coming up with justifications for killing Mr. Brown is helpful here to anyone, least of all the police. Are you suggesting those involved had good reason to kill Mr. Brown? That is rather barbaric and goes beyond the hints of reckless conduct that reading between lines in the report indicated to many citizens about the conduct of at least some of those present.
And yeah, if someone needs to call 911, they expect professionals to respond and treat everyone involved within the bounds of the law and our all too fragile civil rights.
It was well within the
It was well within the grounds of the US Constiution. Ever hear of Mapp Vs. Ohio? Might want to look that up. The Supreme Court said that an officer can stop someone if they
a) believe that a crime is about to be committed
b) thinks that a crime is being committed
c) thinks that a crime has been committed.
Burglars work at night. It is not unusual to see bad people out at night. Once they establish that they do not meet the criteria above then they are released and are their way.
Mr. Brown chose to attack an officer instead.
You are so full of
You are so full of shit....you wouldn't be able to tell the truth in this or any other forum if one of the other idiots in this bullshit blog actually typed it up and gave it to you to read.
You seem to be so absorbed into your left-wing liberal bullshit, that you are actually beginning to believe yourself and the lies that you are throwing out to every person that will listen to you because they are ignorant and poorly educated enough that you actually sound intelligent to them.
If we don't get the results
If we don't get the results that we like we need to fire every prosecutor, judge and cop in the state!!! We can start from scratch and live in Utopia...
You May Have a Point
I think you're just trolling here. But maybe you have a point, even if I think your motivation is just pulling our leg.
This is Illinois and we all know how generally corrupt government is in this state. Why should the legal/justice/law enforecement system be an exception to this all too well known rule about the good ol boy government we endure as citizens?
So yeah, why limit the house-cleaning to one sector of government? Throw all those bums out and don't stop until we get a whole new government in place. Give those who qualify -- and aren't disqualified because by actual conviction for corruption -- their pensions and send them home.
Frankly, a new group could do no worse than those in place right now.
FBI Asked to Review Kiwane Case
Note the pre-ordained limits of the investigation
"The investigation will not review the decision by the State’s Attorney."
In short, let's do something that we can call an independent investigation without its actually being one, or one that actually addresses what needs to be investigated.
But let them have their fun; pretty soon they're going to be writing a hella big check from the "Somehow My Gun Went Off" Damage Control Fund.
Remember, guns don't kill people, Officer Norbits kills people.
Smart vs Stupid
I think it's clear that whatever happened that day, Norbits' pulled the trigger. But from reading what is available, things happened so fast, it's clear that Norbits did not intend to kill Kiwane. Reckless, probably. Accidental, maybe. Intentionally, no.
It would make a stronger argument that things need to change at CPD to avoid statements that somehow imply that Norbits intended to kill Kiwane. I don't think he did.
Also, while I consider the report issued by the state's attorney to be self-serving, politically influenced, and driven by slective use of the available evidence, her actions can't be considered as the topic of an FBI investigation. Certainly, it should be a major issue in the next campaign season, if she should decide to run again for her current office, but that's a political issue. I really don't think we need the FBI involved in politics, as that's a bad, bad, bad idea, given the past record of involving the FBI in politics.
"The investigation will not review the decision by the State’s A
The Federal Government reviews violations of federal statutes. That’s why the Attorney General is not involved at this stage in the game and will not be second guessing the SAO. The FBI does not investigate matters of the individual States unless the crime and/or specific law is in violation of an individual’s civil liberties (which they are looking into this matter) or the crime involves crossing state lines.
On another note, I see this sight practices censorship and routinely edits your postings to only allow certain opinions to be heard. While I was reading a post yesterday, that one and one other from blowback simply disappeared??? I thought he and “anonymous” were making some good points. This can hardly be considered a creditable, knowledgeable, or noteworthy sounding board if those running it edit what people are really posting, and the postings you keep are devoid of fact.
Disappearing posts
I wonder if they are in the other thread under "Critique of SA report..."?
No Whining, As There's No Need For It
This is actually a web site.
We don't practice censorship. Like any publication, we have certain editing standards. Unlike most publications, we use open publishing. You write it, hit send, and it gets published. We'd appreciate it if you act reasonably civil, but we understand that, especially in the current situation where a young man tragically lost his life, people will hold differing opinions.
The posts which you reference are still here. They were taken down because they seemed to be intended to continue propagating an inflammatory lie that CUCPJ had called for rioting. This is pernicious nonsense. There was already one such post, along with several rebuttal posts indicating that others felt it was, at best, unhelpful and untrue and, perhaps, had even been posted by someone intending to paint CUCPJ in a false light. That was enough.
So when there were two more such posts here yesterday afternoon, those posts were hidden. If you think they are important to read, then register as a user and look for hidden posts and you can read them. They will not be visible here and future such posts will also be hidden. They may have other content that is acceptable, but the "riot" stuff was over the top. They are inappropriate, as is some of the other content that people seem to have felt they needed to post as commentary and has been hidden for various reasons. By being hidden, it tends to reflect more on those posting it and, by leaving it hidden, we intend that it continue to reflect on them and not on the IMC.
One last thing, it is a general rule on the internet that editing decisions be discussed elsewhere than in the forum, so raising such topics here is considered off-topic. If you want to discuss, you can send an email to: imc-web@ucimc.org
Ahh ok I see...
My allegations of calling for rioting were based upon two separate city council meetings in which Terry Townsend stated to the council that parents should keep their kids home from school when the report was released because there would be riots.
Is Terry Townsend a member of CUCPJ?
His picture is on the IMC front page speaking at a CUCPJ press conference.
If you are interested civility why don't you remove the article on the front page today that calls for rage and the destruction of police authority?
Look, it's your web site. I don't care if you remove my posts. But, perception is indeed reality.
If you remove posts critical of CUCPJ it implies that IMC is the mouthpiece of CUCPJ.
We can all only do the best we can do.
My advice for IMC and CUCPJ is to tread carefully. Exercise your rights responsibly.
I have no problem with CUCPJ saying "outrage, protest, march, rally, demand, etc." but I do have a problem when anyone says "riot" as Terry did.
I will also say that I have the greatest respect for both Terry and Martel. I don't agree with anything they say, but both men have exercised their rights as residents of Champaign to speak and challenge city government for years. Most of us don't care about city government until an issue affects us personally.
Despite my disagreement with them these two men have served as excellent examples both for residents of Champaign, and the black community as a whole, by setting an example of how participatory government works.
Returning to The Discussion
I have no idea if Terry is a member of CUCPJ.
The IMC provides media and facilities for the community to use. CUCPJ uses them, as do a number of other groups This is the IMC mission statement:
The Urbana-Champaign Independent Media Center is a grassroots organization committed to using media production and distribution as tools for promoting social and economic justice in the Champaign County area. We foster the creation and distribution of media, art, and narratives emphasizing underrepresented voices and perspectives and promote empowerment and expression through media and arts education.
The removal had nothing to do with the crticisms of CUCPJ. It had everything to do with saying that people were calling for rioting. I do not believe that anyone called for rioting in CUCPJ.
If you want to investigate further and come up with some evidence of that, then go ahead. I believe there is video here on the website. Take a look and document it and come up with the facts. I know a few of the CUCPJ members and it seems totally out of chaarcter to me, as well as something that I'm sure I would have heard about already if it had in fact taken place. I might be wrong. Under the circumstances, I felt that it was and is unsubstantiated that CUCPJ called for rioting and, that given the direction the discussion was heading, that it was inappropriate for it to remain visible.
Now, let's otherwise return to the discussion. Thanks.
Maybe that will help you
Maybe that will help you understand why people are upset. Sure there have been some minor changes. They seem to have made little difference in practice in certain jusridictions. Or Toto might be alive right now. Others might be alive right now.
Toto would still be alive if he didnt come charging at the cops with a machette in hand screaming kill me, kill me.
But you forgot to mention that part of the equation.
Officer Norbits on restrictive duty
From council member Will Kyles:
Officer Norbits is returning to work on restrictive duty.
This means that he will be working on special projects in the building with no public contact.
There are no current plans to return him to full duty.
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