Champaign Police Fatally Shoot Unarmed 15 Year-old African American Youth

On Friday afternoon, Oct. 9, 2009, Champaign police fatally shot an unarmed 15 year-old African American named Kiwane Carrington. The name of the Champaign police officer who did the shooting or how many police officers were involved has not been released. The Illinois State Police are currently investigating the death.

Champaign police responded to a call at 1:20 p.m. of an alleged burglary in the 900 block of W. Vine St. According to a statement from Champaign police at 5:30 p.m., they were “confronted” by two 15 year olds when they arrived. Both refused to obey the officers and get on the ground. A physical struggle ensued during which a weapon “was discharged resulting in the fatal wounding of one of the subjects.” Although the names of the officers involved in the struggle have not been released, Champaign Police Chief R. T. Finney’s shoulder was sprained in the incident.

The second youth was arrested, charged with residential burglary, and taken to the Youth Detention Center. Because he is a juvenile, his name is not being released.

Our condolences to the family of young Kiwane Carrington.

Please stay tuned. Don’t believe the hype. Will keep you posted.

BD

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Ch. 3 on police shooting

Reported by: Jenny Gastwirth/ WCIA 3 News

Friday, Oct 9, 2009 @10:22pm CDT

 

CHAMPAIGN--A Champaign sister is reeling after learning her brother was shot to death by a police officer. The shooting happened in 900 block of West Vine Street Friday afternoon. A 911 call came in saying some teenagers were robbing a home. Police responded. A gun went off and now a 15-year old is dead. There's confusion over what happened out there. Kewanne Carrington's family is absolutely shocked. They say a Champaign police officer killed their loved one for no good reason. State police are heading an investigation. Here's what we know. Police got a call from a woman on West Vine Street who said a house was being broken into. Officers showed up and told two teens to drop to the ground. Police say they didn't listen. A struggle then took place between two officers and the teens. I'm told that's when one of the officer’s guns went off killing Carrington. "You don't have pepper spray," asked Rhonda Williams. "Pepper spray would have taken them down." "You're going to pull out your gun and shoot a child and kill him," she added. "It's not justifiable at all." As for them breaking into that house, Carrington's aunt says her nephew was friends with the owner of the home and wasn't causing trouble. The family says they're hiring an attorney so they can find out what really happened. Five agencies are investigating this trying to figure out the same thing.

Chief R.T. Finney was injured, as well during the struggle with the teens. He suffered a sprained shoulder and knee along with several cuts. It was not his gun that was fired. That officer is following protocol and is on paid administrative leave.

Neglegence

I generally err on the side of the police...but this was a kid..A KID.  There are some things that will undoubtedly come out soon that will not surprise some of you.

they were wrong who ever shot

they were wrong who ever shot him.....becus he really was not brakin in to the house as yu think about it his life is now gone for kno reason

I believe the police do help

I believe the police do help us. just because his gun went off doesnt mean it was all his fault i mean i understand he was a kid but he didnt PURPOSLY mean to shoot him. cops are humans too and all humans make mistakes. this obviously was a big one and im sorry for your lost. :( but they have feelings too and you need to remeber that. they loose loved ones and know how you feel. they are truely sorry please forgive them. i am related to a champaign cop and hes friends with the guy who accidently shot the young boy on ACCIDENT. and the guy whos gun went off cried and it haunts him because of it.  and he didnt mean too why would he want to kill another human being? therfore a kid? you make think cops are racisit or what not but they are there to help and protect you and no matter what we all need to remmeber that. I'm sorry for your lose again. i know how you feel. Truely sorry and my prayers go out to you and your family and friends. you need to see both sides of the story before you judge.

MY THOUGHTS

Peper spray was what the cop should have used. There was no reason for him to pull out A GUN ,and there is no excuse for it. Yes everybody makes mistakes but as a police  officer we are depending on them to be as precise as possible about everything because we go to jail for some of our mistakes so i feel that he should be punished for his. He was only 15 and yes i also knew him . His life cant be replaced and niether can our memories of hym. Now i think i speak for alot of people when i say we are all wondering what will happen next.If a cop can kill a innocent child then what else can or will they do....???Im sorry but i dnt feel bad for the cop at all and in the end he will have to answer to GOD. IM 17 YEARS OLD AND I SHOULDNT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THIS BUT I THINK NOW EVERY AFRICAN AMERICAN TEEN IS WORRIED .

right a kid . and i knew him

right a kid . and i knew him very well . never an accident . look at the facts . where was the mase , the sticks . anything . ? but he chose a gun for a 15 year old boy who "wouldnt" obey ? hmmm

You have a lot of

You have a lot of mis-spellings which leads me to the understanding of why you sound so ignorant in your response. If you know anything about guns, and the guns that policmen carries, has a lovk on it, it is rare that it accidentally goes off.

police

man fuck the police that killed my cuz thats some bitch ass shit they pulled then not even get charged man the police 

they can suck my dick if a black cop would have shot a white boy i bet  his ass would in jail but 

its not relvent  that a white cop cud just kill my cuz like that in the police wonder why its so many

people who dont trust the police cuz they some straight bitches u call the police the cum with 1 thought thats who we gone take to jaill to night but to keep it 100 fuck the police dont call them cuz they cumen on bullshit this shit real crazy

how i ant cant see my mans bro he just came back home n u fuckboys     killed him in dint get no jaill time bro 

fucked up that the world we live in it still matters the color of yo skin u get treated like shit bro real talk

man i know i cant say wht i wont to do to that bitch ass police off-i-0cers  man fuck the police man they be on stright bull shit 

u know what if i cud see my cuz kiwane 1 mo time shit  i cant stunt to u i DONT know wht i would say or wht we would do this shit crazy but im still missing my big cuz real talk im hate the police n the courts system so one again fuck the police and anybody who work with them so as kiwane would say straight up writen by MONEY MILLES AKA DAMARCUS TAYLOR

THIS IS A VERY SAD SITUATION

WELL I AM 15-YEARS-OLD I CURRENTLY LIVE IN TEXAS BUT I WAS LIVING IN CHAMPAIGN/URBANA TILL I WAS 14.WELL I KNEW KEWANNE BECAUSE MY YOUNGER BROTHER USE TO HANG OUT WITH HIM.WELL MY OPPINION AVOUT THIS IS THAT THE OFFICERS GUN SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN TAKEN OUT IN THE FIRST PLACE BECAUSE HE IS A MINOR AND THE SITUATION DID NOT CALL FOR THAT. HE WAS ACTUALLY A REALLY NICE PERSON..I KNOW HIS FAMILY AND FRIENDS WILL MISS HIM VERY VERY MUCH R.I.P KEWANNE.YOUR OUT OF SIGHT BUT NEVER OUT OF MIND..WE WILL MISS YOU.

IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER

IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER HOW I SPELLED IT THE SITUATION IS WAY MORE IMPORTANT THAN A DAMN SPELL CHECK

 

either way it goes u know

either way it goes u know what this young boy is sayin...spell check or not...thank you

i am

im a girl just to let everybody know

 

thank-you for sharing - your words truly touched my heart.

thank-you for sharing - we need to hear from our youth - you do have a voice - you do matter! 

I MISS YOU SO MUCH♥♥♥♥

WELL I AM 17-YEARS-OLD I CURRENTLY LIVE IN CHAMPAIGN .WELL I KNEW KIWANE ALBERT CARRINGTON SINCE CASHVILLE NAW THEY CKALL IT THE E.N.D.WELL MY OPPINION ABOUT THIS IS THAT THE OFFICERS GUN SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN TAKEN OUT IN THE FIRST PLACE HE SHOULD OF PEPER SPRAYED HIM.BECAUSE HE IS A MINOR AND THE SITUATION DID NOT CALL FOR THAT. HE WAS ACTUALLY A REALLY NICE PERSON.HIZ FAVORITE WORDS HE USED TEW SAY WAZ STRAIGHT UP.ON MY UNBORN,AND NO BLAST DEN HE HIT YU ON TOP OF YO HEAD.I KNOW HIS FAMILY AND FRIENDS WILL MISS HIM VERY VERY MUCH..BUT I WILL MISS HIM MORE. R.I.P KIWANE.YOUR OUT OF SIGHT BUT NEVER OUT OF MIND..I WILL MISS YOU.

                                                         LOVE BIG SIS AKA CUZZIN CYNTHIA N. THATCH-CARTER♥♥♥

wow its crazy cuz kiwane was

wow its crazy cuz kiwane was my best friend he didnt deserve to dye and people say teens dont show respect well kiwane did he didnt care who u was or what u did he liked people for who they were not what they wear but how they act

yes he hung around a bad crowed but still he wasnt bad he was a brillant parson he had something going for himself he was on of the black teens who was going to make it out of here he had dreams .......dreams he cou;dnt acomplish because of the police. he went to school got good grades just so happen he was trying to get into his home that were he stayed the whole summer he called that his second home yes kiwane had fears and one of his biggest fears was dieing at a young age......he wanted to be THE FIRST BLACK ASTRONAT TO WALK ON THE MOON......... and they took his life for what reason...... dont none of use know they keep lieing making up so many stories what  sthe truth us teens and parents of the black cumminity n champagin will not rest untill we have answere to what happend that day to our loved one kiwane carrington it hurts to have to realize that when u make up the one tha could always make u smile when u are made is gone it hurts use to know that..... and for his sisster i know she has been through alot because her mother is gone to so the carrington family is in my prays.............. me n kiwane were close i know everything about him and he was an angle sent form heaven to bright up my day every day and know he is not here but the memories he gave me we allways stay in my heart and i wil never for get him.......

your in heaven know kiwane i will see again who knows when but there will be a point in time when u wiill make me smile again we all love u

He DID NOT mean to shoot the

He DID NOT mean to shoot the gun fired on its own. please understand and dont blame the cops who are protect you they have feelings too. im sorry for your loss prayers go out to you and your family

That's Not What the Reports Said

I didn't catch all of it, but the local news is reporting that at least two of the reports that have been issued found that Norbits did not follow CPD policy. That's why he received, as they said "The highest discipline short of being fired," the 30 day suspension. The gun did NOT fire "on its own" but rather because Norbits was engaged in conduct that he was trained not to engage in.

One shudders to think exactly what it would take to get fired at CPD. I guess if Norbits had killed Finney instead of one of the kids?

champaign shooting

two sides to every story,..did the kids reach for something?? that alone can get you shot! if they did what they were told the kid would still be here i believe.but, the kids have no respect for anyone,..cops , mom, dad, other people...a bunch of smart ass punks.. but also i think the police is very happy guns pullers! i know,..ive had them draw on me when i was 14! another time when i was 16.. and again in rantucky in 2000 i was 30 then, and that took 4 rantucky cops cars and 2 sheriffs cars with the total of 8 rantucky cops and 2 sheriffs,..all rantucky cops had their guns on me, the sheriffs didnt,..,...all for spinning my tires in my car!! i got the case dropped. what are they teaching them at cop school??? and yes,..why didnt they spray the kid first?? or a night stick??? nope,..straight to the gun. im very very sure this case will be patched up very fast,..cops look out for cops, its a ''brotherhood'' as they all say on tv right?? i dont think this is a race thing at all, cuz im white! they dont care what color you are, that shit was gone in the 80's to me, they r all just little boys with a gun on their side! i mean man,..if your that scared,..of a kid or a grown man,.you should get a differnt job! i hope the cop, if in the wrong,..should go to jail for 1st degree murder!

the polioce have no respect

the polioce have no respect for teen agers they dnt no wat we go rew. kiwane was a good kid,friend,and never did anything to hurt any one he waasnt even tryinng to break in the house he ws welcome at the house and stayed there over the summer the lady who lived there said he was wlcome in her home any day..........

excuse me?! its not a gang or

excuse me?! its not a gang or "brotherhood"! they look out for eachother just like you would do for your close friends. ok? thank you. and they pulled there gun out because they got a call for a robbery! if someones breaking into a house wouldnt you have your gun ready?! if you dont believe that cops do help people then dont go pushin peoples buttins who do believe that it was a huge mistake that happened but even if the whole champaign county hated them they would be there to protect you! sorry for your loss :(

Lets not forget the boys were commiting a crime.

I listened to a family member tonight on the news saying that "They all stick together and were not gonna get the right judgement"  Well talk about a Racist remark. Let us remember that these boys were found on private property in "Possible" commision of a crime; Breaking and entering and Burglary" When Police officers arrived on the property the boys were confronted and asked to stop raise their arms and THEY refused to cooperate and do as they were told! Pretty stupid when several officers confront you where you should'nt even be. They not only REFUSE to OBEY THEY start to fight with the officers. Way stupid for them and the officers had every right to take them down. As far as we know the gun accidently discharged, what we do not know is if the teen attempted to grab the gun or attempted to discharge it or if the gun was drawn and accidently discharged. What we do know is that the boys were supposedly not armed, did they react like they were to the police? We do not know yet but for his family to suggest that they are in no way going to be treated fairly or with respect is utterly rediculous. These are professionals who go out on the streets every day to protect our rights and lives and PROPERTY and they dont always get the respect they deserve but they dont require it either. I am so sick and tired of the reverse racism that has been going on since this incident and am appalled at the number of people who have no clue as to what went on besides what has been released and they continually accuse city and state professionals of a possible cover-up to protect the officer. Well I feel the questions the mother and family members need to be asking is why was her son on private property and why was he arguing with the police and fighting with them? Why was the boy not at home or in school or at work? Also something that bugs me is in their march for this young man young people were carrying signs in reference to the deceased that the other boy caught in the act with him should be released in his memory??? Are they crazy or just not too bright; that one child is deceased because of his actions, but now the other should not have to face the charges against him because of his MEMORY! What about the man/or women whose property was broke into and burgled by these two young men who chose to break the law instead of behaving. They deserve justice for their loss. I've been a victim of home invasion and burglary and believe me it is not easy to get over; besides the loss of items youve worked hard to get but just the idea that some punk has been in my home and violated my space and my privacy. I'm sure this mother would be devastated now if someone burgled her home and took things that belonged to her son. You bet she would, I know because I lost some things that belonged to my deceased son in the burglary. Though the boys were caught in my case most of what was taken was never returned. So take a deep breath and listen to what the outcomes are and discuss them with the authorities in private and at least give it a chance to work out. So far all I've seen is poor me, my son has died and sombody is going to pay and if no one does then that is an injustice. Im very sorry for your loss, I wish the young man had followed the directions given by the police, it is for sure that if he had he would still be alive; he might be in jail but he would be alive. Lets not persecute this officer who has many years of meritorious service to your community, and he is also very experienced and holds a rank as such. We are all concerned of this outcome whether we are black, white, yellow, red or green so why does it have to be "THEY or THEM". We are all human and as such not perfect and we all have free will that allows us to make choices; not all choices are right; or wrong!!!!!!!!

Take a deep breath and think about all the circumstances from all perspectives, and then deal with the findings with dignity and respect to all, including yourself! And GOD BLESS you and your Family and take care of yourself, sometimes you forget to do that in all the grieving that you do. Peace be with you!

Leean Palmer

Ummm, No They Were Not

If you're going to write the headline, then at least have the evidence to back it up. They were not burglarizing the house. The charge to that effect was dropped against the surviving young man because it wasn't sustainable in court. Repeating it is simply inflammatory.

The same thing with "fighting" the officers. The report isn't out yet. You're simply repeating rumors. Sure, people with a good reason to characterize the events of that day in a self-serving way have been spreading those rumors -- the officers present. And what passes for an investigation seems to focus on that based on selective leaks from the investigation, which are self-serving in and of themselves. But the public has not been given even those bare facts yet.

At least we have your perspective. Unquestioning acceptance from a single point of view. I guess it's fortunate it wasn't your son who was killed. You'd probably feel differently about things if it was your son.

What people don't get is that maybe it is....maybe it is.

You don't like the fact that racism has been brought up.  People have to realize that while no one is saying "Nigger," or any other racial slur doesn't mean there isn't an ignorant act being made.  Many people believe that racism is dead and over because look we have a black president.  It's people's ignorance, and by ignorance I mean lack of knowledge and stupidity, and people's pre conceived notions that perpetuate closet racism and stereotypes.  My apartment was broken into and I know that feeling of disgust knowing someone has invaded my privacy, but I didn't point the finger at the nearest person standing next to my door.  I have also been treated like a criminal by a police department whose job it was to "protect and serve" my community.  Me and some local friends decided to have a bike race in the park, just kids on summer break having fun and keeping active as opposed to sitting in front of a television and letting our brains rot.  Two elderly women...two elderly WHITE women, were walking in the park and felt that teenagers riding in the park was a disturbance to their work out and signaled a nearby cop to get us to stop.  This particular cop felt that this was an injustice and DROVE through the park.  When he came across the teenagers he told all of them to lay on the ground with their hands over their heads.  There were 8 teenagers, including myself, present.  We were told to look like criminals in a neighborhood where there not too many people of color.  We were told to lay out on the ground for all of the neighbors to see.  The boys all laid down.  I refused.  I refused because I did nothing wrong.  I, who has never been arrested, charged, broken any major laws (I may jaywalk from time to time), and never even received a ticket, was told to lay on the ground in submission.  Hell yeah I refused.  I was NOT going to allow myself to fit that stereotype.  So I stood.  And all the cop had to say was share the park.  I was 15 then.  Another story of police "protecting and serving" happened to my younger brothers friend.  His friend had a verbal argument with his twin but their adoptive mother decided to call the cops on them.  The cops showed up when they were arguing and felt the best way to put down the situation was to tackle the two arguing brothers.  Excessive force? or serving the community, you decide.  I am an intelligent African American woman age 22 at the University of Illinois with a parial academic tuition scholarship through my mothers job and the rest is paid by my chruch, the only thing I have to pay for is fees dealing with my major, my apartment, and books.  I do not like pulling the race card because I have witnessed racism at its worse and have seen reverse racism too.  I just don't like ignorance.  Thats the problem that plagues each community today.  People have to realize that yes, cops do profile black men more often then not.  And not every cop is bad.  But that's just the truth.  It's ugly, but the truth.

the police

the police shouldnt of shot him with out a real reason!!!!!

What are we going to do about this?

The police killed a child yesterday. Power is attempting to ensure that we don't consider this act murder.  We are given more of a description of the officer's pathetic bruises (obviously exagerrated to palliate us) than the life just destroyed. The police sent their condollances to the family they just broke apart? Not even the most wretched murderer would act with such hubris. And, the police don't even feel compelled to tell us who killed this child . . .

What are we going to do about this?

 

 

My advice?

Tell kids to stop resisting arrest.  It's that simple.  Explain to them that, when the officer tells you to stop, you F*CKING STOP!  Jesus Christ, why is this so hard for some people?

 

This is just like Toto Kaiyewu all over again.  We're going to hear over and over again how terrible it is that this poor innocent kid got killed, while the fact is, this NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED if the kid had just stopped. This NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED if the kid hadn't FOUGHT THE POLICE!  Is it too bad that he's dead?  Yes, it is.  It's too bad that there are some people who are too stupid to understand that, when you start a fight with a guy with a gun, it can go bad very quickly.  It's too bad that some families are so negligent that they don't teach their kids better than this. 

 

That's why I don't understand when people always talk about their condolences going out to this kid's family.  It's this kid's family that is to blame for this!  If they had raised him to know right from wrong, or even just to have an ounce of common sense, he'd be with them still.

ITS EASY TO SIT AND CRITICIZE

ITS EASY TO SIT AND CRITICIZE THE PARENTS FOR NOT TEACHING THERE KIDS RIGHT FROM WRONG I KNOW OF QUITE A FEW PARENTS THAT RAISE THEIR KIDS TO RESPECT AND DO THE RIGHT THING. THEN WHEN THEY DO THEIR ARRESTTED BY THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM FOR DOMESTIC BATTERY OR SOME OTHER STUPID INFRACTION. SO WHERE DO WE PARENTS DRAW THE LINE, THE SYSTEM WANTS TO PUNISH THE CHILD FOR THE CRIME  THEY COMMITT. BUT WHEN THE PARENT PUNISH THE CHILD THEIR ARRESTED. BUT THE POLICE  CAN ACCIDENTLY SHOOT A 15 YEAR UNARMED CHILD DURING A STRUGGLE, AND ITS ACCIDENTAL. BUT WHEN MY SON DISOBEYED MY COMMAND AND ATTEMPTED TO CAUSE BODILY HARM TO ME  AND I RESPONDED IT WAS A CRIME . COME ON CHAMPAIGN COUNTY GET IT TOGETHER. I STATED BETWEEN THE TEEN VIOLENCE HERE IN CHAMPAIGN SOME CHILD WAS GOING TO GET KILLED OR SPEND THE REST OF THEIR LIFE IN JAIL. AND NOW HERE'S AN ACCIDENTAL SHOOTING. SO YOU LEADERS AND POLICE DEPARTMENT AND CITY OFFICIAL WHAT DO WE DO NOW TO RECTIFY THE PROBLEM TO ASSURE THAT NO OTHER ACCIDENTAL SHOOTING WOULD OCCUR IN CHAMPAIGN IL. COUNTY.

Or,

Maybe this never would have happened if the police weren't out of control and didn't act like an occupying army.

Talk about ignorant statements

The police act nothing like an occupying army.  This a completely uneducated statement.

Depends on Where You Live, What You Experience

I'm sure that things are different down in Cherry Hills.

Education has nothing to do with it, BTW. Experience is the best teacher. Unfortunately, in the experience of many people in our community, the police are an occupying army. YMMV

I don't live in Cherry Hills

and I totall agree with the statement that the Champaign Police do not act like an occupying Army.

All Together Now

"All within the state[city], nothing outside the state[city], nothing against the state[city]."

Benito Mussolini [and a horde of goose-stepping trolls]

detained

when was the last time you were detained for no reason. cooperated then left in the cold to freeze.

when was the last time you were in your yard working and a police officer detained you on your own property. And when you ask why they do not give a reason not even a sorry.

As a former Marine this is unacceptable I fought for that right to privacy

when has this happen to me last month then two weeks ago.

Oh yeah they were kind enough to tell me I was free to go. What ?

I am free and never say that to a person that is not being booked.

YOUR IGNORANCE...

THE ISSUE IS NOT ABOUT WHETHER THIS KID WAS TOLD TO STOP OR NOT. TRUE... HE SHOULD HAVE STOPPED WHEN THE OFFICERS ASKED HIM TO STOP. BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS. OFFICERS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE TRAINED TO DEAL WITH ANY SITUATION. AND YOU DON'T KNOW IF THE KID FOUGHT WITH THE POLICE OR NOT. BUT WE WILL SAY THAT HE DID FIGHT WITH THE POLICE. HOW IN THE HELL DID AN UNARMED BARELY 15 YEAR OLD KID END UP DEAD? THERE IS NO WAY THAT THIS KID SHOULD BE DEAD BY TRAINED PROFESSIONAL OFFICERS.

AND NO ONE IS STUPID ENOUGH TO DISAGREE WITH THE FACT OF IF YOU START A FIGHT WITH A GUY WITH A GUN THINGS CAN GO WRONG. BUT THIS WAS A KID AT HOME THAT IS BEING TOLD BY THE "POLICE" (NOT SOME GUY) TO GET ON THE GROUND AND HE REFUSES TO GET ON THE GROUND BECAUSE THERE IS NO REASON FOR HIM TO GET ON THE GROUND. HE IS AT HOME FOOL! I AM SURE THAT HE NEVER THOUGHT THAT HE WOULD BE MURDERED BY THE POLICE FOR NOT GETTING DOWN ON THE GROUND.

AND HOW DO YOU KNOW AS TO WHAT MANNER THIS KID WAS RAISED. YOUR IGNORANCE SHOWS GREATER IN EVERY STROKE OF THE KEY. WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS. YOU SEEM TO BE ONE OF THOSE CLOSED MINDED, IGNORANT, RACIAL PROFILING, TYPE FOOLS. THAT AUTOMATICALLY TAKES ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT WHEN SOMETHING OF THIS NATURE TAKES PLACE. IT HAS TO BE THE FAULT OF THE FAMILY. WHEN YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THE PEOPLE. THERE ALWAYS 2 SIDES TO EVERY STORY OF THIS NATURE. BUT BEING A CLOSED MINDED FOOL AS YOURSELF. YOU CAN'T SEEM TO DIGEST THAT.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS. WHETHER HE GOT ON THE GROUND WHEN ORDERED BY THE POLICE OR NOT. HE WAS NOT ARMED AND HE WAS NOT BURGLARIZING THE HOME. SO WHY IS THIS KID DEAD?  AND WHY HASN'T THE CHIEF OF POLICE OR CHAMPAIGN COUNTY POLICE NOT CONTACTED THIS FAMILY AT ALL? WHY DID THE HOSPITAL LIE TO THE FAMILY WHEN THEY RECIEVED A CALL FROM A FRIEND TELLING THEM THAT THIS KID HAD BEEN SHOT AND KILLED BY CHAMPIAGNS FINEST AND SAY THAT THE KID WAS NOT THEIR FAMILY MEMEBER WHEN THEY KNEW THAT HE WAS IN FACT THE KID THAT THIS FAMILY WAS INQUIRING ABOUT? AND WHY DID IT TAKE THE FAMILY TO GO THE THE POLICE STATION APPROX. 3HOURS AFTER THIS KID WAS PRONOUNCED DEAD TO LEARN THAT HE HAD BEEN MUREDERED BY THE POLICE? JUST IN CASE YOU DON'T GET IT. LET ME BREAK IT DOWN. AS SOON AS THE FAMILY HEARD OF THE SHOOTING(BY WORD OF MOUTH) THEY WENT TO FIND OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON. SO, NO THEY DID NOT WAIT APPOX. 3 HOURS TO GO TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THEY WENT AS SOON AS THEY GOT THE NEWS.

SO FOOL BEFORE YOU GO AND POST AN OPINION WITHOUT KNOWING THE FACTS AND ALLOWING EVERYONE TO SEE THE FOOL THAT YOUR PARENTS RAISED!!!

DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!!!

IGNORANCE IS... AS IGNORANCE DOES...

There are a few problems with this arguement...

"HE REFUSES TO GET ON THE GROUND BECAUSE THERE IS NO REASON FOR HIM TO GET ON THE GROUND"

There is every reason for him to get on the ground.  The police told him to.  They would have just made sure the kids did not have any weapons, to ensure the safty of the officers, which in turn would have let the officers know that they were unarmed.  This would have prevented the officers from even pulling their guns.  What would it have hurt to just get on the ground.  Why try to run or fight? 

"THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS. WHETHER HE GOT ON THE GROUND WHEN ORDERED BY THE POLICE OR NOT. HE WAS NOT ARMED AND HE WAS NOT BURGLARIZING THE HOME"

The problem with this statement is that the police have no way of knowing if this young man was armed, or if he was burglarizing the home.  But defying a direct order from a police officer is one sure fire way to raise suspision. 

I Wish The Cops,Their Friends Would Get Their Stories Straight

Multiple comments that exist here purport to support the claim that the police always respond with drawn service weapons as a matter of existing policy. They still insist this was compeletely normal, as well as the reason both the Chief and Officer Norbits had their weapons drawn.

Then I came across this claim above. Referring to the fact that the two young men who were the targets of police action in this case were ordered to submit by the officers,

"This would have prevented the officers from even pulling their guns."

This statement stands at odds with statements that claim that its standard procedure for police to respond to calls like the one that ended with the taking of Kiwane's life with guns drawn.

So which is it?

Guns drawn and Kiwane gets shot, somehow to be explained.

Or guns in the holster, and supposedly in the eyes of the poster above, Kiwane does something that causes the police to draw their weapon and shoot him.

You can't make excuses both ways. But those who want the police -- not the justice system, with all its checks and balances -- but the police only, to have the right to execute citizens, seem ready to throw down any excuse to get the boys in blue off the hook.

More and more, this discussion is taking the turn where it seems like the police are just another gang and we, the citizens, must choose where our loyalties lie or we or those we love may end up victims, too.

If so, then the Champaign Police Department has served its purpose and gone rogue. It should be disbanded, all the officers fired, and a new department reconstituted based on the rule of law, not gang-rule.

get on the ground

as a young man of 15 I new the local police. they would tell me to get in the car and take me to my folks. That when things where right. To see the look on my fathers face when Michal a nice guy cop to me home was enough. Did I run from Mike yeap Did he chase me no.

But as I was walking home from school they watched out for use. Mike said et in the car you got some explaining to do to your dad. I was a Teen. Mike was a civil servant of the people.

  You know I stop jumping the fence to the drive in moves. Today that is trespassing. And break and enter. about 5 years in prison.

 I lost my respect for police after moving to this city. They are not about the community. a react force is that control by power. What a waist of education theses police officers have some of that psych ,

 and sociology classes they paid dearly are not being used in this city.

  remember yes excuse me do you live here. if they run let them were are they go to run to.

school I hope.

smh

You dont have to have a person lie on the ground to check for any weapons come on now!...bottom line is the police made a bad decison. no kid should wined up dead from a scuffle with an officer.....point blank period. thats why they have mase!

stupid bitch that was my

stupid bitch that was my cuzin u dont know wat the fuck ur talking about u weren't there n wat the fuck u doin makin this commmect at  3:00 am in the morning "no life"

sure, stop or die?

Your advice is very unfair. I agree that we should always obey the laws and live ourlives as exemlary citizens, BUT we all know situations like the one where people are shot by police have one common factor: controlling presonalities, on both sides!

Police officers can very eaisly argue they were doing their job, but in the face of the way they insult people, talk to us like we are animals or not deserving of any respect, people react to that and they officers do the only thing they can to gain control of the situation, shoot!

Officers don't have to use their guns to kill people UNLESS their lives or the lives of others are put at risk. Plain and simple.

 

YOU ARE IGNORANT

YOU ARE A VERY IGNORANT PERSON IN MY OPPINION. YOU CANT SIT AROUND AND TALK ABOUT THIS SITUATION WHEN YOU REALLY DONT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. YOU ARE WAY OUT OF LINE TO DIRECT THE COMMENT YOU JUST MADE TO THIS FAMILY.GET A LIFE AND STOP PUTTING YOUR "ADVICE" INTO SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY DONT NEED YOU SPEAKING ON. AND YES THIS IS COMING FROM A PERSON WHO KNOWS KEWANNE.

you sound IGNORANT

you were NOT there so you do not know the full story.  cops are always saying "resisting arrest" to justify their abuse of power.  and to say that parents are not teaching their kids right from wrong how DARE you!  police everywhere abuse their power and then they wonder why these kids don't respect them.  you must be a racist a$$ white person to say some bullcrap like this...ya'll think ya'll stuff don't stink.  slowly but surely your mess will be uncovered!  since you know so doggone much why NOW since the robbery charge couldn't hold for the other young man who happened to live has the charge been changed? 

reply

uhm first of all it's not the parents who should be blamed, its the officer! there is no excuse for any child to be shot and killed especially when innocent! no matter how much struggle the cops had with the kids that DOES NOT give them permission to kill him! now suppose some1 on the steetsshot him by uhm lets say "accident" they would be serving time behind bars but since it's the police who claim it was an accident he doesnt get anything! that's not right! it was not an accident! kiwane was welcomed\ao visit the house at ny time. and im pretty sure that the nosey neighbors who made it their buisness to lie and say they were breaking into the house knew that bcuz they were familiar with his face! to compare this childs death to a stoopid injury with the officer is not fair! this childs life was taken and the cop still has his life! so at the end of the day when it's all said and done it's the EFFIN COPS TO BLAME!

agree!

rite the cops are jus looking for their own trouble going around shooting innocent TEENS ! the police officer should be the one behind bars rite now. kiwane was welcomed to the house. whats going on in the world these days. some people jus dont understand that police officers are regular people jus like us so they should get the same punishments as we all do.

Wow, You seem a little Clueless!

I agree with others that say it is easy to critize the parents post the incident.  However, we need to recognize that black men and young boys are profiled against.  I remember when I was living in Champaign my then boyfriend was followed by the police as he was just walking.  Young black men are target regardless if they are causing trouble or not.

I don't know how many roudy white boy frat parties have I seen on Green Street and the police weren't shutting them down for disturbing the peace or anything like that.  Now that I live in New York City, I realize that it is the same story different location. 

I do believe that they should not have fought the police...not because the police are always right or just but becuase at that point your life is in danger.  We submit for fear of being shot even when the cops are in the wrong but what happens when we are just tired. 

I challenge communities to pay more attention to youth... especially our black and latin youth...We must teach them to fight an intellectual fight because the streets are not the solution.  We are in need of a Revolution... and my heart goes out to the family of Kiwane Carrington. 

 

 

Just like to say that I agree to an extent...

I agree with most of your statement.

"We submit for fear of being shot even when the cops are in the wrong"

The cops were asking the kids to get on the ground to try and determine if they had done something wrong.

Resisting arrest is not cause

Resisting arrest is not cause for shooting an unarmed teenager. POINT BLANK!!!  Police are "supposedly" trained in these situations and should be able to handle it without the use of the gun.  Police have billy clubs and mace in order to subdue someone that they cannot handle.

I don't give a fuck how you look at it.  You are probably the only asshole who would say some shit like this.  Let it be your brother, son, nephew, cousin, father or grandfather.  I bet your whole outlook will change on this.  Or maybe not because it seems you are a heartless bastard who doesn't understand the big picture. 

 

Really?

Really? You want to blame the family for this? Have a little decency. Their son/brother just died, and you want to blame them for it? The last thing they need now is folks who don't know their family history nor the reality of the situation of the incident accusing them of causing their child's death through improper parenting. They are grieving, this is unnecessary.

Surely, you should stop when ordered to do so by police. But how is it that a grown-ass man, with backup, pepper spray, probably some sort of nightstick or other non-lethal weapon felt so intinmidated by an unarmed 15-year old that he felt the need to pull his pistol and squeeze off a shot? Really? You are so afraid of an unarmed teenager? Are you afraid to take a beating? Just use your pepper spray or other non-lethal method of restraint! The police need to be able to deal with these situations without freaking out and pulling a pistol.

just think about it

it was a kid. why shoot a kid.the kid didnt even have a weapon i think it is sorta a race thing because they shouldn't even had a hard time getting them down they were about 15 what damage do you think they could really do. it just doesn't make sense to me and why would the gun go off if it was sapose to be on safety just think about it COPS is sapose to be TRAINED that is the problem they do a poor job of hiring untrained scary ass people....... basicly all i mean is stop shooting kids thats F***** up real talk............R.I.P.

fam yu just dnt have a heart

fam yu just dnt have a heart and didnt know kiwane...he was my best friend hee didnt even fight the police dumb ass thats a cover up so  the police can get away with murder duh,...

if you dnt kno what yu talkin

if you dnt kno what yu talkin bout please dnt get on here talkin shit first of awl they was not breakin in kiwane lived there in they was not resisthing arrest they walked up just tryin to shoot i'm not even 15 teen yet and i can tekk something wrong wit this story come on now kiwane 15 they don't have to pull no gun out dats wat they got pepper spray for

YU DNT NO WAT HAPPEN

DNT YU MEAN IF I WAS NOT DA POLICE FOUGHT HE WAOULD BE HERE HE GOT SHOT FOR NO REASON IF IT WAS YO FAMILY MEMBERS YOU WOULD NOT SAY NUN LIKE DAT MY ADVICE TO YOU IS TO SHUT DA FUCK UP CUS YOU DON'T KNO WAT HAPPEN THANK YOU

Re: What are we going....

The kid killed himself...Hopefully this will help educate young teens in the hood to do better for them selves, but I doubt it.

The kid was around 5'5 and

The kid was around 5'5 and 120 pounds, they werent breaking in a house they were climbing through the window because it was one of the boy's houses and he had lost his key. for all you inconsiderate ppl theres always to sides. the police arent always right..

You are such an idiot to

You are such an idiot to believe that he killed himself!!! Unless they TOLD you that he turned the gun around on himself and shot himself, then he didn't kill himself. I am a cousin to the victim and what happens does not justify how he was raised or whether he  was resising arrest or not. For your information, he did have alot of underlying issues....like his mother dying unexpectedly last year. How dare you say "hopefully this will educate young teens in the hood to do better for themselves...but you doubt it". First of all, he didn't live in the HOOD and what do you call a HOOD. Maybe that is where your residence is located at. Before you open up your FAT MOUTH, you should first get the facts about the situation...unarmed teen, police SHOOTING him. Doesn't make any sense, whether the person was black, white or blue. This isn't a justifiable shooting with anyone unarmed. Now hopefully this will educate YOU!! Next time you waste the keystrokes on a keyboard to write that garbage, EDUCATE yourself first and check out the facts!!

re:re:What are we going.....

You say the kid killed himself you fuckin stupid ass !!!! You have no heart none This dont have shit to do with the "hood" it has to do with cops fellin they are over everybody cause they have a fucking badge!! get a life nobody desrves to be shot in the chest and killed stupid ass!!

wow i dont understand

wow i was a close friend to kiwane and he would have never ever killed him self every body loved him he was just goin threw some hard times like his mom had just passed away i swear people is juat always talking and dnt even know what te hell they are talking about you sound real stupid for saying that shit jus at least if you dnt know all the facts just dont fucking say nothing i loved kiwane like a fucking brother just please show some some respect and stop talking what you DONT know.

Condolances...

NO, THE POLICE CHIEF OR THE CHAMPAIGN COUNTY POLICE STILL HAS NOT CONTACTED THIS FAMILY. WHEN I SAY HAVE NOT CONTACTED THE FAMILY. I LITERALLY MEAN THIS FAMILY HAS NEVER HEARD FROM THE CHIEF OF POLICE OR ANYONE FROM THE CHAMPAIGN COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENT. NOT EVEN TO INFORM THEM THAT THIS CHILD HAD BEEN KILLED.

I agree

I absolutely agree with every word you just said i hear it was a female officer. I dont understand why there are so many fools being hired on the fucking force. This isnt the first time theyve reacted this way but this is the first time it goes bad and noticed the realy confuse authority and i want to help.

The News-Gazette on the Police Shooting

The News-Gazette.com

 

15-year-old killed in scuffle with Champaign police

By Paul Wood
Saturday October 10, 2009

Robert K. O'Daniell

Police at the scene of a shooting have the house at 906 W Vine street blocked off in Champaign Friday afternoon.

CHAMPAIGN – A 15-year-old boy was shot dead and Champaign's police chief injured during an altercation between police officers and youths who may have been trying to break into a house Friday, police said.

The fight involved two 15-year-olds, who may have been part of a larger group trying to get into a house at 906 W. Vine St., as well as Chief R.T. Finney and an unnamed officer, who has been placed on paid administrative leave.

The dead teen was identified by Champaign County Coroner Duane Northrup as Kiwane Carrington, of the 1400 block of North Champaign Street, C. That information was released during a 9 p.m. press conference called by police to provide information on the incident to community leaders. According to a release provided by police, "The Champaign Police Department remains concerned for all those that were involved in this incident. Our thoughts and prayers are with the family of the 15-year-old, as well as our officers and their families."

The other teen was not identified because he is a juvenile, police said.

The events transpired within a matter of minutes, Deputy Chief Troy Daniels said at a brief press conference Friday afternoon.

At 1:20 p.m., a neighbor called to tell police that at least two youths were trying to get into a house, both through doors and windows.

The unnamed officer got to the scene almost immediately, and Finney also responded. Daniels said the chief often goes out on calls.

When the two officers tried to detain the boys, a scuffle ensued during which a police weapon discharged, fatally injuring Mr. Carrington. The other boy was not hurt, Daniels said.

The weapon involved was not the chief's, Daniels said.

"They did not follow instructions" to comply with officers and get on the ground, Daniels said. The unnamed officer was in full uniform; Finney displayed a badge, the deputy chief said.

Mr. Carrington was taken to Carle Foundation Hospital in Urbana, after he received emergency aid from other officers "within earshot" of the incident, Daniels said. He was pronounced dead at the hospital at 2:16 p.m., according to Northrup. An autopsy will be performed at 3 p.m. today, and a coroner's inquest will be held at a later date.

The other 15-year-old was taken to the Champaign police lockup, on suspicion of burglary.

During the fight, Finney's shoulder was hurt. He was treated at Carle and released. Daniels said he couldn't say at this time whether Finney was injured by some sort of weapon.

Several agencies are investigating, including the Urbana, Rantoul and the University of Illinois police departments. The Illinois State Police is taking the lead, Daniels said.

Sgt. Bill Emery could not be reached for comment Friday evening.

I'm sorry.

I agree that it seems like the child was in the wrong, but I don't see how being in the wrong justifies being shot to death.

 

he wasnt even in the

he wasnt even in the wrong...he and the other boy prob could not get into the house so decided to seee if they could go through a window.  Its like their other home.

reply to "you are right that he was...

it is very easy for you to say that black folk are always saying that the white man is out to get blacks...well WAKE UP and smell the coffee...it is what it is.  Until you open your eyes to the truth, it will always be easy for you to make those kind of comments.  BLACKS live this life everyday!  It is something that you will NEVER understand.  I am a black female and I have witnessed it for myself.  The treatment is different no matter what the situation.  Have you ever heard of a white teenager being killed accidentally?  HELL no!  Police won't even attempt to pull out a gun on a white person unless they feel like their life is in danger.  Keep it real!  There is a difference.  Kiwane, in stature, alone could not have brought any harm to a police officer w/a pistol in his hand.  You white people are something else!  Yeah I said it!

i agree

I AGREE ON THIS COMMENT BECAUSE WHITE PEOPLE AND BLACK PEOPLE ARE TREATED DIFFERENTLY NO MATTER HOW THEY SUGAR COAT IT I AIM A BLACK FEMALE AND HAVE ALSO WITNESSED AND BEEN A VICTIM OF THIS RACIAL PROFILING........r>i>p kIWANE WE MISS YOU MAN

agree

I am sorry you have been picked on because of color. I know your right and it is sad. I know one thing in are church we are very colorful. And I was so proud of Conrad on TV asking then demanding that the mayor and all the power mongers resign. Conrad and I have given are lives to this cause.

 My ancestors were killed defending this right in the 1800's it is about time. to tell the police they are hired by the people for the people and are civil servants for the people. Serve Then protect.

not bad for a White boy.

 But do not call me white boy to my face that is worse than the N word in My book.

Who Reviews What Happened?

This tragic incident brings up a number of questions. One of the most important ones is who will review the evidence to decide if what happened if the circumstances were a result of violations of departmental policy or just plain mistakes by the polie involved?

Since there is no civilian police review board in Champaign, the buck stops at the desk of Chief Finney. That means that he will be passing judgment on what happened. Whatever one thinks about what happened, there is a significant conflict of interest in having him review what happened.

Re: Who reviews what happened?

First off, there is a citizens review board...And secondly, the investigation is being headed up by the Illinois State Police with the help of Urbana, U of I, Champaign County Sherrif, and Rantoul police districts.

No Citizen Review Board When It's Needed Most

There is a police citizen review board in Urbana.

In Champaign, the mayor (a former cop), most of the city council, and the News-Gazette all opposed formation of a review board. The proposal died.

Just this week, a News-Gazette editorial noted that the review board in Urbana seemed to be working and mused that maybe it might be a good idea if Champaign also had a review board.

The tragic incident Friday makes it clear how important a review board in Champaign can be. If the officers involved did make a mistake, at least the community could count on a thorough review. As someone has already noted, even if the police did not make mistakes in the death of this youth, there will be very few in the coummunity who will have complete faith in such a declaration given the conflict of interest of having Chief Finney involved.

Having other agencies review the incident will not be enough to reassure the public. After all, the State Police failed to convince the public in the Kaiyewu incident. Reviewing possible police misconduct will only result in convincing the public that misatkes weren't made if someone other than the police makes the final call.

Death and murder are under federal law. Plus hate crimes

All deaths and murders must be reported to the Fed's this law goes way back. If we find the state is not handling right we can request federal investigation.

Yes this is the same system that has no eyes they throw away people everyday for many year. Right Ryan.

How is it federal the weapon used was sold from a company out of this state.

Do you realize the police in St Louis must live in the city. Not on some place away from the people they serve.

Where's the Logic?

“They did not follow instructions,” Deputy Chief Troy Daniels said. Where

is the logic in that? If we shot to death every teen that did not follow instructions, they would all be

dead. A quick survey of parents and teachers will confirm this.

The neighbor reported these youth were trying to enter through both doors and windows. The family claims they were friends of the homeowner. I’ve not read of any evidence that an actual robbery took place, or was taking place. Any number of scenarios could have placed those teens at that location, and attempt to enter it. Teens are notorious for making poor judgment calls, but that does not prove criminal intent.

 It was also reported “a scuffle ensued during which a police weapon discharged.” I’ve not read that Kiwane Carrington was carrying a weapon. Police weapons don’t just discharge. No matter how you spin it, Kiwane Carrington was shot point blank by a police officer. 

 

Re: Where's the logic?

You did not read that Carrington was carrying a weapon...That is correct.  And you also did not read that Carrington was show by an officer...You came to that opinoin becasue you are a narrow minded idiot that cannot think on your own and have to rely on the media to paint you a false picture. 

End of the day, if you fight a bull, you get the horn.

Legal Defense

Does the child who was taken into custody have a lawyer or legal defense fund? If so, where can donations be sent?

 

did you get any info about

did you get any info about where the childs funds can be sent??

Personal Accountability

Trying to blame the kid that was murdered does bring up the issue of personal accountability.

"WHY NOT BLAME THE INDIVIDUAL FOR THEIR OWN ACTIONS?"

Personal accountability also applies to the officers on the scene.

It could very well turn out that those objecting to news coverage here that doesn't conform to the way that the News-Gazette covers this incident -- or does NOT, since the N-G had no further update in this morning's edition -- might find their blind calls for personal accountability boomeranging back on them.

The city of Champaign recently settled a lawsuit for shooting a citizen on his own front porch. In that case, the officer involved apparently claimed he was justified in shooting, but there was some evidence that this excuse was concocted to cover up the fact that the shooting was an accident by the officer involved.

Whatever the facts are, it's clear that there were other outcomes possible -- if the police were just a little less trigger happy. Far more citizens are killed every year by police -- whether justified or unjustified-- than police are killed in the line of duty. It's tragic when anyone is killed. We should all work at changing that.


Press conference Monday at 10 a.m.

Press conference Monday at 10 a.m. at the Independent Media Center.

who leaving comment

whos leaving comments says it a 15years old boy fault  look at it like this you telling me its hard for a grown man to contain a kid if you think that you a fucking idiot there is no way this kid should have beenn shot an killed im a law major to his family seek legal action lawsuit for their negligent there is no way a struggle should have even been mention on a  15 year old kid may god keep and bless the family.

Blog entry by Tiffany Gholson Johnson

Reactions from the community begin to unfold:

Tiffany Gholson Johnson (Champaign High School Social Worker and Doctoral Candidate) blogged:

Tiffany.jpg

I need PEACE in the Midst of the Tragic Killing of a 15 year old boy!
 Today at 6:43pm

Friday afternoon as my students, my children, and I planned for the weekend's Homecoming activities, we found out that a 15 year old was shot and killed by police during a scuffle. Now I know that Chicago has had its fair share of tragedies surrounding this issue but the last murder I recall of a black teen in Champaign was another student of mine in 2002. This has hit too close to home and many in our community very hard. We only have two high schools and really one black community. The aftermath of this coupled with rumors, reality, and racism are going to take a toll on our community. Please pray for us...

...As a parent of a 13 year old black male: I cannot stop crying. That could have been my son. My son would not have wanted to get on the ground and mess up his fly clothes in the rain either. If my son feels like he has a right to do something or needs to be heard, he speaks up. It will make him a valued adult but sometimes a disrespectful kid. Do I beat him down? Grab him by the throat and impart on him the dangers of that behavior--especially to authority figures like the police? Do I remind him again to "know his place" unlike Emmett Till who did not?

As a school social worker in a high school: I see this disrespect to authorities in the school everyday. Students now tell you that to get respect you have to earn it. Even if the other person is an adult. It doesn't matter to them. We work on those mindsets everyday. People don't understand how the same student who cusses them out, can give me hugs and cry in my office. I work with supposedly "at-risk" children everyday. We you start talking to them...really talking to them and understanding them...you start asking yourself how have they become at-risk. Whose standards are we looking at? What structures have been put into place to maintain them "in their place?" And more importantly, you see that no matter how many times they cuss you out, skip school, get high, fail classes, and participate in other risky behaviors, THEY ARE STILL KIDS...and sometimes they make really stupid decisions. Usually it involves dropping out, getting pregnant, catching an STI, maybe even getting arrested. But death?...

...As a law-abiding citizen of Champaign County: I am friends with many of the police in Champaign. They have assisted me when I thought I had a stalker near my home, they have assisted when I was in a car accident, they answer questions I have routinely...We have worked together to try to connect the police with the youth in the community in the past...I know it must be devastating to any officer when they fire their weapon and actually kill someone...If you are really honest with yourself...We know what we would LIKE to do...we also know that doesn't always happen...

...As a believer in GOD: Kewanne Carrington is now with his mother was passed away from cancer 15 months ago. From what I hear, he struggled during the 15 years he was on this earth but I truly believe GOD has a purpose for each one of us...Maybe this was the inspiration I needed to keep grinding in my schoolwork.

Speculation

It's unfortunate that a life was lost. There is wild speculation as to what happened. Unless witnesses speak or video evidence is presented and verified, lets not jump to conclusions.

Stonewalling Fosters Speculation

While I think there's no need to invent facts, what we already know is disturbing enough. The defeaning silence from the authorities speaks loudly. I suppose we'll see what develops, but the best way to dampen speculation is to give citizens the facts, no matter where they lead. It appears as if the truth may be damaging to the police.

Police procedure

A few years ago while a student at the University of Illinois I had a run in with the Champaign police. I was returning home from work and decide to stop by a fast food place to get a late supper. It was around 10 PM and as I was approaching the restraunt I noticed 2 or 3 police vehicles nearby. I pulled into the parking lot and was informed by the staff that they were closed for the evening. As I left the parking lot a police car blocked the street I was driving down. I stopped and rolled down my window to speak to the officer. As I was doing this 2 more police cars blocked me in from behind and officers approaced my car with weapons drawn. They ordered me to get my hands in the air and not to move. I had done nothing wrong. I was just trying to get something to eat after a day of work. They told me to get out of the car and held me at gun point as they questioned me about my identity and where I had just come from and where I was going. I was confused and a little scared.

After questioning me for a few minutes the officers informed me that the fast food place had been robbed at gun point literally 2 minutes before I had arrived. Because I was so close to the location of the crime the officers were required to detain me and use every precaution when doing so.

WHAT I DIDN'T DO WAS RESIST THE OFFICERS OR THEIR ATTEMPTS TO QUESTION ME. I cooperated with the officers fully because I knew I was innocent. They apologized for inconveniencing me and I went home

It's a tragedy that a person died. It doesn't matter what race the victim was or what race the officer is. Someone is dead and that is terrible. Had he cooperated with police and simply answered some questions this whole tragedy could have been avoided. Police don't draw their weapons and shoot for no reason. Police draw their weapons when they feel their lives might be in jeapordy and they shoot as a last resort when they think their lives are in danger. To assume that the police are at fault because of the race of the victim is disgraceful. 

RE: WHAT I DIDN'T DO WAS RESIST THE OFFICERS OR THEIR ATTEMPTS T

Ok, you were a UofI student, which means YOU were an adult. Children don't always think rationally. They get scared and run sometimes, or get scared and get defensive. The POLICE are also adults, and supposedly trained to act rationally. This is clearly a fatal mistake made by the police, the child is NOT to blame. All of these posts that are placing blame on the child, are totally ridiculous. ADULTS! GROW UP.

you would be saying the same

you would be saying the same thing if it were two grown men

Student Priviledge

He was a 15 year old  African American boy!!! How many white 15 year old boys do you know of that ahve died at the hands of the police???

unknown

To those of you that didn't even know him, he was a very nice kid and did not deserve to die and until you know done judge, because i did know him. You will be missed by many Kiwane. We love you.

I knew him

For those of you who continue to make comments, think about how you would feel if it was a family member or friend. He wass a good kid. He has already suffered the lost of his mother and living a teenage life. I challenge you to read between the lines of what is being reported in the news. please have a heart before you judge.

100 at vigil in Douglass Park Sunday night

Coverage on Ch. 17:

Friends, family remember 15-year-old killed in officer-involved shooting

Posted:

Oct 11, 2009 08:29 PM

Friends and family remember 15-year-old Kiwane Carrington, who was killed Friday in an officer-involved shooting.

About a hundred people gathered Sunday evening at Douglass Park in Champaign to share stories about Carrington and talk about the incident. They say they're having a hard time coping with what happened and that the situation should have been handled differently. They're demanding more transparency from police.

"This was a young 15 year old youth whose life did not have to be taken like it was, it's very devastating to the family, all we want is answers," said Rhonda Williams, Carrington's aunt.

The Champaign Police Department said the incident happened at 900 W. Vine around 1:20 p.m. Friday when a neighbor reported multiple subjects trying to get into a nearby residence through doors and windows. Police say when officers arrived, two subjects confronted them. Police say the officers identified themselves as police and both subjects disobeyed the officers' commands to get on the ground. That led to a struggle during which a weapon discharged and killed Carrington.

With so many questions still unanswered, Carrington's family and community organizers plan to speak out Monday morning.

Meanwhile, the police department says it wants to try to help the community heal. The department says it is reaching out to provide information, coordinate with agencies that can offer supportive services for young people and offer support to officers and their families involved in this incident. Counseling will be available Monday in the Champaign school district for students. The Boys and Girls Club will offer support for its members as well.

Members of the Champaign Community and Police Partnership will meet Monday to discuss the incident and investigation. But some African American community leaders say more needs to be done to repair strained relations.

"If they came out, out right and said 'here's exactly what happened, here's our story on exactly what happened from a to z,' I think that at least gives people a chance to swallow what their version is," said Aaron Ammons with C-U Citizens for Peace & Justice.

An autopsy was scheduled for Saturday afternoon on Carrington, but the results have not been released. The family says they still have not seen his body.

The other 15-year-old involved was arrested at the scene and and faces a preliminary charge of Residential Burglary.

One of the involved officers is Champaign Police Chief R.T. Finney. He was treated and released from Carle for injuries he suffered in the struggle. Police say the discharged round was not fired by Chief Finney.

As standard procedure, the Champaign Police Department requested investigative assistance from the Champaign County Multi-jurisdictional Investigative Team. Officers from the following agencies are taking part in this investigation: University of Illinois Police, Urbana Police, Rantoul Police, Illinois State Police and Champaign County Sheriff's Office. The Illinois State Police have been designated as the lead agency for this investigation.

Another vigil will happen Wednesday night on Vine Street where Carrington was shot.

More TV coverage

More TV coverage from Saturday on Ch. 15:

http://www.wicd15.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wicd_vid_1179.shtml

 

Finney still tight-lipped

Although Police Chief RT Finney was there at the scene and saw everything that happened, he still remains tight-lipped. BD

 

The News-Gazette.com

 

Autopsy shows Champaign teen was shot in chest

By Tim Mitchell
Monday October 12, 2009

CHAMPAIGN – An autopsy indicates that a 15-year-old Champaign boy who was fatally wounded on Friday died from a single gunshot wound, according to Champaign County Coroner Duane Northrup.

Meanwhile, a second boy at the scene is being held at the Champaign County Youth Detention Center, a task force of several police jurisdictions has begun an investigation of the incident, city officials plan to meet today with the Champaign Community and Police Partnership, and counselors will be on hand at Champaign schools today.

Northrup said an autopsy performed by a pathologist in Bloomington at 3 p.m. Saturday indicated Kiwane Carrington, 15, of the 1400 block of North Champaign Street, Champaign, died from a single gunshot wound to the chest.

Mr. Carrington was shot and Champaign's police chief was injured during an altercation Friday at a house at 906 W. Vine St., C.

According to a police report, a neighbor called police at 1:20 p.m. to report that at least two young people were attempting to get into the house through windows and doors. An unnamed Champaign police officer and Police Chief R.T. Finney arrived at the scene and tried to detain the two boys.

Deputy Chief Troy Daniels said the teens did not follow instructions from police to get on the ground, and a scuffle followed in which a police weapon discharged, fatally injuring Mr. Carrington.

The second boy was not injured, according to Daniels.

Mr. Carrington was taken to Carle Foundation Hospital in Urbana, where he was pronounced dead at 2:16 p.m. Friday, Northrup said.

Daniels said the second boy, whose name was not released since he is a minor, was being held at the youth detention center on Sunday after being arrested on a preliminary charge of residential burglary.

Finney said on Sunday afternoon that he was still a little sore following his injuries.

Finney had a sprained shoulder and knee and several cuts and was released from the hospital on Friday.

Since the incident is still under investigation, Finney said he didn't want to comment except to say, "The police department wants to express its condolences to Mr. Carrington's family. We are asking for time to allow the Illinois State Police and the multi-jurisdictional investigative team to collect its information and complete its investigation before people draw any conclusions."

The Champaign County Multi-jurisdictional Investigative Team includes representatives from the state police, the University of Illinois, Urbana and Rantoul police departments and the Champaign County sheriff's office, with the state police serving as the lead agency, Daniels said.

Sgt. Bill Emery of the state police did not return calls for comment on Sunday.

Daniels said the unnamed police officer was not injured and has been placed on paid administrative leave.

"That is a routine procedure in a situation like this," Daniels said.

Daniels said the city has called for an emergency meeting on Monday afternoon at the Champaign Police Department with the Champaign Community and Police Partnership.

Daniels said representatives from the police department and the city manager's office, along with Champaign City Manager Steve Carter, will talk with partnership members about Friday's incident and the investigative process.

"We want to talk about the next steps to bring healing to the community," Daniels said.

Daniels described the partnership as a group of community leaders "who get together to look for ways to work together to improve communication and cooperation."

"Our purpose at Monday's meeting will be to provide information to the community leaders and to listen to what their concerns are," Daniels said.

"I have concerns, but I want to wait until I hear the information before I make any comments," said the Rev. Jerome Chambers, a partnership member.

Meanwhile, the Champaign school district has arranged to have counseling and support services available today for students who may have known Mr. Carrington, and the Boys and Girls Club is working with the Mental Health Center to provide support services for members of the club.

"It is absolutely tragic and sad all the way around," said Champaign City Council member Marci Dodds, who represents the area where the shooting took place.

Northrup said a coroner's inquest will be held later.

Daniels said the boy is not scheduled to appear before a judge until Tuesday because of the Columbus Day holiday.

"The investigative team will gather up all the reports that have been written about the incident already and determine who needs to be interviewed," Daniels said. "They will also examine any evidence that has been seized, put all the information into an organized report and submit it to the Champaign County state's attorney's office."

Grim History

When the police believe they have a story that they can spin in a manner that protects them from most public criticism, the details begin leaking out almost immediately. The dominant media lap it up. The police hope that the public moves on and ignores other aspects of the incident, even when reason exists for the media to dig a little deeper.

The fact that the public is still in the dark about nearly everything about what happened Friday is a sign that -- no matter what the spin -- the police are very concerned that they won't be able to spin this story to favor their point of view.

The News-Gazette is doing its part to protect the police from criticism by reporting the story with the spin that law enforcement desires. That is why we've seen so little real reporting from the newspaper, just a recapitulation of what little info has been said by the city.

my 2 cents

First, I wish to express my condolences to Mr. Carrington’s family. No matter what else, the loss of any child is unfortunate and the light of the community is diminished a little.

Next, my thoughts and concerns are also turned towards the officers involved in this incident. I know every one of the sworn police officers that serve the City of Champaign and all of them will feel and carry the weight of this in some way, shape or form.

All of that being said, those of you who demand quick answers for a complex situation are continuing to fuel a fire of hate and discontent. The facts of the incident will be gathered, collated, reviewed and reviewed again. The results do not stop at Chief Finney’s desk: the results stop at the Office of the State’s Attorney. Or possibly higher, if so warranted.  Unfortunately, a small segment of the population will not like the results, no matter what the outcome.

I had composed several more paragraphs about good citizenry, police officers and other things, but felt that would detract from my main points. Refer to paragraphs No. 1 and 2.

You Just Don't Get It

"...those of you who demand quick answers for a complex situation are continuing to fuel a fire of hate and discontent"

Asking the questions that the public wants answered is NOT fueling "a fire of hate and discontent." The public has a right to the truth. The public has a right not to have a tale spun to "protect" us from the truth. Asking for the truth is not something that can be spun into "a fire of hate and discontent."

Even though some will keep on trying to silence the truth, the truth must be pursued, all the more so when a few want to insist there's "nothing to see here. Move along."

 

You Just Don't Get It Either

So what is a satisfactory timeframe for you? 2 hours after the event? 2 days?

I want the truth just as much as you but not at the expense of Mr. Carrington or the officers involved.

Cool your jets, hot-rod...I don't think you would want to be on the short end of a hasty whipped investigation...I have been, and was jailed for it.

The Facts Are Known

Give them to the public, instead of spending time trying to come up with the right spin or letting them dribble out. The police have the gun and person involved, they know who was killed, they know what the circumstances are from others at the scene. If it wasn't for the badge, the shooter would be sitting in jail while things are sorted out and the police would have had their side of the story in the newspaper.

Truth Be Told: The Kiwane Carrington-Williams Tragedy

WCIA News Clip (cut and paste link into URL address bar if hyperlink does not appear)

http://illinoishomepage.net/content/video/?watch=1&cid=111142

Kiwane Carrington-Williams was barely 5ft and had a very small frame for his age. He had no weapon. The house in question is a very unsecured house in a poor neighborhood. Kiwane and the un-named friend were frequent visitors on the block and the neighbors knew them both. If you view the video news clip you will hear first hand from the owners of the home that they had no reason to believe Kiwane was attempting to burglarize. We do know that after Kiwane's mother died of ovarian cancer less than 15 months ago, he was being raised by his adult sister.  Few of us know what life would be like to be a young Black male youth, growing up in a very conservative town with little to no job opportunities, a school district that was under a Consent Decree for the entire time he was a student, coming from a good family who were very much into his upbringing, to suddenly lose his mother and having friends and family trying to share in the care and transition.  One of those friends allowed Kiwane to live in their home throughout the summer.  That home was the home in question located on Vine St.

If you look carefully at the news clip, you can see the owner pointing out damage to his home but the audio is cut as well as the portion of what the owner was stating.  The misleading visuals the news clip show are of broken glass and interior damage. But what the news failed to let viewers know is that it was actually the police who stormed into the home believing other alleged perpetrators were inside. However, Kiwane and his un-named friend had reportedly never entered the home and were still outside when the police arrived.

I focus in on the youth instead of the officers because, like many others, I have had very positive experiences with many of them and expect protection when they are called.  I also understand all too well that there are many restless youth in our community that have no respect for adults, authority or each other.  But from the Social Workers who interacted with Kiwane (both White and Black) are in deep mourning, neither that I spoke with could talk about this young man without tears welling up.  They both admitted this child was struggling with his mom's death and may have not been making the choices he would while his mother was alive, but they both were confused by the story of a scuffle given the small build, a scuffle so intense that the tall, strapping RT could succumb to such injuries, while the officer whose "gun discharged" had none. Their questions are like the rest of the community.  Who? How? What? and When?

Taser’s cannot be justified by this tragedy. I agree with Kiwane's aunt, "Couldn't they have used mace?"

It gave me pause to hear one officer publicly claim the CPD does not use mace or pepper spray. Interesting because while RT was Chief of Police in Carbondale, his officers regularly used this as a means of controlling out of control actions.

But I guess what troubles the community most is the constant morphing of the story that the City Officials and CPD are releasing.  We have upgraded "scuffle" to "altercation".  We have upgraded "gun discharged" to the autopsy "shot in the chest".  A fatal direct aim to a location that was certain to cause immediate death.  A fifteen year old, barely 5 ft and small frame, unarmed. We all would think there certainly could have been a less aggressive end to this matter.

Below is a link to a Facebook tribute to Kiwane.  The image is a recent one.  Perhaps as you put a face to the incident, you will better understand the community's grief.  That said, we are all waiting for the facts.  But one fact is certain, he was loved. And we all pray that the Lotus Flower and goodness will blossom through the murky muck we are all left with.

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=164402218696&ref=nf

Thank you all for keeping a balanced wait...

"Very conservative town"

Champaign is a "very conservative" town?! When did that happen? Maybe in comparison to outdated stereotypes of hippy-dippy tie-dyed Urbana, Champaign can be seen as "very conservative" but by any rational standard that's just nonsense. Who comes up with this stuff? And who believes it?

Just my take on this, but I

Just my take on this, but I am guessing that this was an accidental shooting by the police.  The damn cop probably shot the kid because he had his gun in his hand when he was "struggling" with the kid.  It only makes this situation more tragic as a result...

Why is the other kid still in jail?

Given that the owners of the house have come out and said that the kids had reason to be there, that Carrington in particular was "like family," had lived there all summer, etc, why is the other (uninjured) friend who was there still in jail on "attempted residential burglary" charges?

 

 

i too have wondered

i too have wondered this....maybe they know they were in the wrong...nd have no eveidence..even the person of the house says they werent breaken in..he should be let go

NEWS

they simply said on the NEWS hun that he still was in juvenile detention center for breaking into someone's home.!!!

Right. But the owner of the

Right. But the owner of the home has since said that in fact there was no robbery, it was a mistake - the kids were welcome at the home.

 

So why not let this kid go home to his parents? He was just at the scene where his friend was shot and killed, surely he would prefer to be with his parents to process some of this?  It's not something you easily get over, regardless of why or how it happened.

 

I wouldn't mind hearing what this kid's version of events are, either.

champaign police corrupt

I have personally been profiled by the champaign police one officer in particular who falsified evidence in an attempt to make me his "snitch" since then he has harrassed both me my family and any friends he might see me with. I have tried to call internal affairs and found out there is none in the city of champaign . I was informed to speak to his chief. Imagine that the other guy involved in this shoooting of a child is the guy who determines if these officers are acting above the law or not.Who do we go tofor help?Even the state police informed me that i am in a hard situation and without good evidence against this officer i would do well to get a high priced lawyer. I am wondering if the shooter might even be this crooked cop who would do ANYTHING TO GET A BUST EVEN FALSIFY EVIDENCE PLANT IT AND MAKE A DOCTORED UP POLICE REPORT. I KNOW FOR A FACT HE HAS A VERY BAD TEMPER . I am just waiting to see who did the shooting .In another altercation with champaign police i was asked by the police to say 2 black men sold me a rifle who did not  and the reason was the officers wanted  them off the street. I refused and was given a felony charge for buying a hunting rifle witohut a FOID card.I dont dispute gun laws here but i do know that even in Detroit i have never seen such corruption as we have here.If youre going to enforce the law know that you are also bound by it and not above it.Im sure Ill get severely retaliated upon this statement here but what else can they do, Shoot me as well?

champaign's good ol' boy network....

I'm originally from Champaign and thank God I made the decision to move away. It's not a good place to raise African American children. The Champaign school system is design to make sure African American children do not achieve. First, African American children will start to feel the discrimination during their grade school years, K-5. Second, from the 6th grade to the eighth grade, African American students will go through the Champaign school system's profiling - weed out the possible threats and etc. Third, 9th grade to 12th grade, African American students have been profiled and segregated by school curriculum courses - 95% Champaign African American students will either graduate or drop out of school with a general level education, which can affect the child chances to be accepted to a four year college. Also, the Champaign school district do indeed have ties with the Champaign police department. Many Champaign African American students are filed on record at the Champaign police department without the person knowing. Champaign's racial profiling begins at a early age. It's very awful what happened to Kiwane. I hope the African American community in Champaign wake up from this disturbing event and start to protect the communities youth. Get involved! Make sure your child or anybody's child are receiving the proper education they deserve. Confront the school districts and demand equal treatment. Say, no more general education for our children! All children deserve the same educational opportunities provided. The fight isn't with the police department nor the officer that shot Kiwane. The fight begins with the school district and the school system in Champaign, especially district four.

Kiwane

That was so not right what they did to Kiwane.
The cop that did this mess should be punished or worse man . He did'nt do anything wrong that just sucks.
My heart goes out to Kiwane Carrington's Family and Friends.

I wonder why his body was

I wonder why his body was taking to loomington ill. with no parent or legal guardian consent to do an AUTOPSY!!!!...why in  bloomington illinios?!?! is there somthing to hide?!... they do many autopsy's here in champaign !!... they should get sued  for sending his body there with no notification..  coming from a 16 year old that knows his father.. rip and ill miss u kiwane

Autopsy

Actually, Champaign County does all autopsies in Bloomington at the McLean County Coroner's Office.  There is no Pathologist in Champaign County, and the nearest one travels to Bloomington from Chicago on a routine basis. This does not mean that anything is being hidden from you, simply that Bloomington is the ONLY place autopsies for Champaign County are conducted.

As far as not having parental consent, The Coroner's Office has the legal authority in Illinois to have an autopsy conducted on any person in their jurisdiction that they believe is necessary, juvenile or not, and therefor do not require parental consent.

I hope that clears up the two issues of your comment for you.

police - poorly trained and power trippin

Years ago I had an encounter with the Champaign Police in which one of the cops bent over to pick up a barbell on my living room floor to show me how he could curl.  His gun holster was un-clipped and his gun actually fell out when he bent over.  I saw the gun hit the floor in slow motion - perhaps seeing down the actual barrel was my imagination - but the overall incident left me with such a creepy feeling that I had narrowly escaped death.  I live in the same neighborhood in which this incident happened and I dont think the presence of guns is at all necessary - it simply allows the police to succumb to their power trippin egos rather than to some intelligent process of diplomacy and mediation.  In a just Champaign County the shooting officer would be charged with manslaughter at the least, and the Chief RT Finney would be sacked and we would finally get a citizens police review board in Champaign.

CHAMPAIGN POLICE ARE ARROGANT PARAMILITARY THUGS

Everyone who lives in this community knows what a bunch of assholes the champaign police are.  They are there to serve the public not to preen their egos.  They must be stopped.  Otherwise their next victim might be you or a loved one.

 

The police are public servants, not masters of the universe.

Don't wait for the State Police Snowjob - Get a Lawyer.

I'm saddened, and recommend that the family should get a lawyer - now.

Illinois is one of the very worst states in the US for as far as the "expectation of justice" and whether is it delivered in the criminal justice system.

However, we do have very good civil trial lawyers.

2 Federal lawsuits have recently been filed against the police in Galesburg, Il - for much less egregious behavior, and a major settlement was won here back in 2001.

I would STRONGLY encourage the family to get a lawyer. I caN suggest several who would consider this on contingency.

Try http://loevy.com for a start.

Even as I type this, you can be sure that evidence is being destroyed and the "investigators" are busily compromising any witness.

my condolences, and best of luck

David Roknich

galesburg411.com

no racial harmony...

that's because their is racial profiling all day long.  UNTIL and i say it again UNTIL you are in the shoes of a black person you will NEVER know.  So, I say to YOU that as long as we say there IS racial profiling and as long as YOU say that it is not always the case THERE will never be any racial HARMONY because YOU refuse to open your eyes to what is REAL! 

tsk tsk shame on YOU

in case you are trying to get me upset, it won't work.  (o:  you won't ever get it and it's sad.  it's sad because everything the white man does is because of your own insecurities.  just take a look at history...it speaks volumes.  May GOD have mercy on your soul. 

whoever posted "yeah well yeah"

i guess it's easy for you to poke fun at the situation at the expense of a family who is grieving for the teenager.  i pray that your heart is touched and that your eyes are open to the fact that a CHILD is dead...it hurts no matter what the color.  when and if you are ever faced with death at the hands of someone else...remember this situation.  i know that you won't find it very amusing then. 

Sad

I have read many posts on here, I did not know Kiwane personally, however no one deserves the endure such a pain.  I read many people comment on fighting the police, I am confused on where that comment came from.  It is sad that it took the death of a young man for people to realize the system is out of control.   My thoughts and prayers are with the families of both young men.  May God be with you all in this time of need.

 

Furthermore, for those of you posting the tasteless garbage about the death of a youth, keep it to yourself.  How would you feel if it was your family?  Go ahead say what will never happen in your family, do you really think this is what Kiwanes family expected? 

Yeah the tradgedy could have been prevented...

That was a terribly inhumane and ignorant post - Im appalled at some of the posts Ive read here.  Sure the tradgedy could have been prevented - if the cop in question had simply not drawn his gun on an unarmed kid who was not commiting a crime.  Pull your head out of the sand buddy and for those of you with no compassion - keep your mouths shut.

I am the father of four boys

I am the father of four boys myself. When a child is lost I feel for those parents. It must be the worst hurt of all. But we must be fair about this as well. Why would a 15 year old boy defy the police? Most 15 year olds would be shaking in their shoes in this situation. Who told this boy it's OK to ignore the cops? In the end I have to agree with some of the others here.. drawing a gun on an unarmed kid is a big mistake for sure. casino online

1. "Most 15 year olds would

1. "Most 15 year olds would be shaking in their shoes in this situation"--I would tend to agree...but "most" is not all...

2. " drawing a gun on an unarmed kid is a big mistake for sure"-- Monday morning quarterbacking police work is also a big mistake until you have all the facts. Police officers do not show up to in progress felony calls armed only with harsh language and glo-sticks.

I'm sure this response probably woin't even make it up since it is not anti-police or calling others names...

Read the book Kingdom of Fear by Hunter S Thompson

God!  No wonder people don't have as much faith in humanity as they should.  The common theme is "there's two sides to every story" It's the wisdom of duality, it is to be, but the cops most likley (and I'd put my last $$$ on it) will come up with some nicely crafted blow hard crap story like they always do. 

Here's an assignment, go get the book Kingdom of Fear by Hunter S Thompson.  read the whole thing.

You Make Champaign Sound Like Los Angeles

Yes this is a tragedy but has a black male ever been shot to death by the police in Champaign ever before this?  How many shootings have you even had in the last year?  I left Champaign and moved to LA and I can assure you that you live in a very peacefully community.  We have shootings here on a daily basis.  I'm not saying this to minimize this incident but do you really think Champaign is that terrible of a place to live?  If so...come spend a week out here.

So many of you on here are "demanding answers."  Can you not see that to get to the truth you can't just rush in and release a statement just for the sake of making a statement.  Let the trained investigators do their jobs and get to the truth.

 

Actually, I came here from

Actually, I came here from Los Angeles. It was in my community that police killed Irvin Landrum, Jr. and then planted a gun on him, a gun that had no fingerprints and had never been fired.

I wasn't in Champaign for a month before I met a black youth who had been roughed up by police.

And in fact, Toto Kaiyewu, a black 23 year old medical student was shot dead by local police just this year.

Any more questions?

BD

Re: You Make Champaign Sound Like Los Angeles

You say, "Let the trained investigators do their jobs and get to the truth."

That would be fine if the "trained investigators" were truly neutral and not fellow police officers. 

Twice the City of Champaign's own Human Relations Commission has recommended to the Champaign City Council that a Citizen Police Review Board should be created, complete with subpoena powers and the wherewithal to hire an independent investigator.  On a third occasion a group of citizens empowered by the City of Champaign to conduct a thorough study of police-community relations came to the exact same conclusion, after more than a year of deliberation.  All three times the Champaign City Council completely ignored the recommendations of its very own panels of concerned citizens.

It's no coincidence that the Mayor of Chanpaign is a retired police officer, and that the bulk of the City Council members are relatively affluent Caucasian individuals who believe in the inherent "rightness" of the police.  After all, the PRIMARY job of the police in our society, and in most societies, is to "serve and protect" the wealthy and their property from the predations of the poor.  So the Champaign City Council is serving its primary constituency.

As an adult and a parent, I find disrespectful teenagers difficult to be around.  But most of them do grow up and become halfway responsible adults if given the chance. 

As a middle-class middle-aged white male, I've had the experience of being threatened by a rogue police officer who happened to be a neighbor with whom I had a conflict.  As the partner of a black female for a number of years, I've seen many examples of racial discrimination that I would have had a hard time imagining still existed in our society.

Many individual police officers are very decent human beings; some are not.  The power conferred by badge and gun tends to go to the head of all but the most thoughtful among them.  After all, they have the full weight of the law and the legal apparatus on their side.  Virtually all police officers become hardened, to varying degrees, after dealing with conflict and drama day after day.  Some quit the police department because they don't like the type of person they've become. 

At the end of the day, the police department's primary function is to maintain "law and order" and to enforce laws which tend to criminalize the behavior of the poor.  They are taught to do this through brute force, not through logic and compassion.

A Citizen Police Review Board is not a panacea, but it would be an important safety valve, one of the "checks and balances" that we Americans love to boast about, and teach our children about in Civics classes.

I'm rambling.  RIP, Kiwane.

Tasers Not the Answer

For all you folks that think tasers are the answer you should know people frequently die by taser.  Indeed, a man was killed by police Saturday in California with a taser. 

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091018/ap_on_re_us/us_california_taser_death

WHITE MANS THOUGHT

I did not know this young man , But my heart goes out to family and friends 1st off . I don't care if those boy's stood there and said piggy piggy piggy

the police did not have the othority too shoot and kill , we all know they have non lethel force weapon's we pay 4 them with are tax's , I feel they have

gave us the shuffle again ,  fire and jail the criminal that shot this boy , hold the police to this never rest until this is done . It has not a thing about

white or black , this young man put his pant's on the same way I do , One leg at a time . All people need to stand up for this young boy's family

It was MURDER it will be murder too all of us on earth if we do not stand up ....go to the streets the city needs to know who puts them in charge of keeping our children safe .... and 4 everone who thinks the boy is wrong , spank his butt ground him , take away his tv , don't Murder our kid's

May the young man lay in peace

 

WOW

     I can't beleive all of the criticism in this article. Especially in champaign where the police contact all races, both sexes & everyone from different backgrounds 24 hrs /day, they certainly would not have been thinking "lets discriminate against these 2 kids who may have just broken into the aforementioned house". They were thinking lets get the area secured, which means since these two kids obviously look suspicious (whether or not they actually are up to no good, the  Officer's need to secure the area) so the police are going to tell the kids to get on the ground.

     If the kids dont comply (whether or not they are the actual suspects) Then, that creates a completely different and potentially more serious unknown situation for the involved Officer's because they are in direct contact at that time & don't know what the kids are capable of (kids are as dangerous in some situation as an adult). For whatever reason, a physical altercation ensued. I am not sure if the officer drew his weapon as a last chance effort to try to defend himself but for some reason a gun was drawn & the teenage boy was shot and as a result of being shot he died. For unknown reasons, the sticking point with me is why a physical altercation occurred? 

     If i am walking to the store and cops pull up by me and tell me to get on the ground, i'm going to look at them kind of funny and get on the ground, be placed in cuffs, interrogated then released because i did not actually commit the crime and the police are going to pursue other individuals as suspects. this and the Toto (forgive me) Kiaywoo incidents are ridiculous but in Toto's case he swung a machette at Officer's...   If you are holding someone at gun point because they might chop you up with the machette, what are you going to do? Take it from him & tell him to have a nice night?... I think not.   your going to use whatever means necessary relative to the threat to effect the needed arrest. In Toto's case he was utilizing (or attepting to utilize) a machette against Officer's after multiple warnings. the Officer's in return, utilized their form of deadly force. Unfortunately, he died and so did the 15 yr old from Champaign. What my point comes down to is that both suspects were noncompliant with Officer's when given a reasonable command (obviously to stop their current actions, the suspects chose to do otherwise and Officer's responded accordingly.

What Evidence Is There?

There's been no evidence released indicating that Kiwane threatened anyone with anything. You're jumping pretty high to make such a conclusion. Does getting kiiled by the police automatically indicate that you must be guilty of something? For you, apparently it does. I really hope it's never your son or brother.

BTW, while the case with Toto definitely seems different than the one with Kiwane, there were other optiosn available then, too. Unfortunately, for some people, when you give them a hammer, they tend to see all problems as being nails. That's not just tragic, but stupid. It's even more stupid to defend it.

Why didn't the stupid A$%

Why didn't the stupid A$% kids just listen to the police and not try and fight them.  I mean come on are you people stupid?  Its all on the kids dumba&% for trying to fight the police.

ASSumptions

You know what they say about ASSumptions. Or maybe you don't. No one said there was a fight. Besides, last I checked, there isn't  a death penalty in effect for such an offense. But some people spend too much time watching re-runs of Cops.

Threatening to riot if you don't get your way????

For God's sake people, grow up. So, the chief and the officer are going to get tossed under the bus so that those threatening violence can be placated??? Talk about the police being bullies..Please...

Resisting arrest is not resisting injustice. It is STUPID. The chief's shoulder did not get broken or dislocated because of a little shove and I guarantee you that the 2 "little boys" were not meekly kneeling in the mud.

Did Kiwane deserve to die because of resisting arrest? Hell NO! But, if he was wrestling with the officer while his gun was drawn, an accident certainly could have occurred. No cop in his right mind would walk onto the scene of what was reported as a possible "burglary in progress" without his gun drawn.

Too Reactionary

The responses to this tragic situation have thus far been reactionary. Without the relevant details being known, it is wholly inappropriate to make sweeping generalizations, particularly that this incident is result of a systemic problem. This incident should be approached cooly, and rationally. For example, people who are unaware of what happened, (namely, everyone at the moment), and or have no pertinent relation to the boy, or incident, should NOT be reproaching the champaign county/city board over charges of apathy towards the "community", (the black community). -As was the case on Public Television- This seems to be an isolated incident, which is not representative of Champaign/Urbana, the attitudes of its citizens, government, or for that matter, even necessarily its police force. And, the boys actions, inevitably, (regardless of whether or not the officer acted maliciously), lead to his death. No child deserves to die, but he is not beyond culpability, having obstinately resisted arrest. Finally, complaints that the officer had his firearm out, (as opposed to say some chemical irritant like mace), are totally unjustified, surely he shouldn't have shot the boy, and perhaps he didn't, (if a struggle ensued, a round may have accidentally discharged), but, in any case, I am sure having a firearm at the ready is protocol for a burglary call. If there is foul play here, then the officer should be reprimanded and sentenced for murder accordingly, but, hopefully that is not the case, and this tragedy only takes one life, not two.

the police have a right to

the police have a right to detain yo . But they do not have the right to make you get  down in the mud. they can escort you to the car and question you when it is raining. The police are civil servants have  they are to serve the people.  I have been around the world and been in prison this small town is a absolute joke when it comes to human rights. And that goes for the black white collar  professors I see everyday who live on the east side. this is about power and control. The haves and the have not. 

This is murder in the first degree. They put guns on their  belts knowing they will use them.  They go looking for people thinking they are doing good. When actually they have the power to make you the bad guy. I have  only met one officer in champaign urbana that understands he is a civil servant for the people by the people. there is no sides. Just thugs with guns.

True ignorance.

Murder in the first degree? Listen to yourself. Of course police have the right to detain you when investigating a possible crime. Guess what? They CAN make you lay down in the mud if that's where you happen to be standing when they command you to get on the ground.

Respect

What ever happened to respecting the police? Did it fall to the wayside with our youth like respecting your elders? If the facts show the officer shot without cause, then the officer will suffer the consequences. And, of course, the family will suffer the loss of a loved one. But I ask you this, "would this have occurred had the youths followed directions from the police in the first place?"

Annonymous 5:35 a.m.

You assume police gave a proper order and there was a disobedience to that proper order.

And you assume there will be an investigation into the facts that could show the officer shot without cause. Remember, the police are investigating the police in this case.  What you are hearing in this community for the first time is the outcry to not only police brutality but also police falsifying reports. You can't imagine officers would falsify their reports. You have no idea what's been going on and you assume all this hubbub is out of disrespect for the police. No. It's in self-defense to the disrespect some police have had for a certain segment of the community. Sadly, the good officers inherit the same reputation as the Sgt. Griffits, Yonka's, Swanson's, and Murphy's. However, until the good officers start speaking out, their silence gives consent to the rouge behavior.

We want our police department to improve. But there needs to be some officers fired before this department can begin to regain the trust and regain the community's cooperation.

Are you not assuming also??

You assume there was not a proper order given and that there was no disobedience. You ssume the investigation will not bring out the ACTUAL facts. If it comes out that this young man was at fault are we supposed to throw the officers under the bus to appease a section of the community to keep them from rioting as many said they would do if the decision was not one they agreed with??

Today's 15 year olds regardless of color are not the same as they were 20 years ago. 15 year olds back when I was 15 were not always the easiest to deal with but if anything, there was a fearful respect for authority. Now, there is no fear. 15 years olds committing violent crimes is commonplace. Just pick up todays paper or read the news on the internet. They just cannot be considered "little boys" anymore.

Oh, for the people that say, "they were friends of the family that lived there, they spent the whole summer there, they were welcome anytime", when I was young our family home was broken into and robbed 3 times by a friend of my sister's that was 14 at the time. She was at our house everyday and knew exactly were anything of value was.

In no way am I saying this young man deserved to be shot. What I am saying is that the police have to deal with todays youth far differently than in the past. They did not know it was 2 juveniles trying to get into a home they were supposedly welcome in or if it was 2 men breaking in. They were taking a call rom a neighbor that reported a possible breaking and entering. It could have all been resolved with a much different result if the boys had simply complied with the lawful order of a police officer.

Disgusting

"or if it was 2 men breaking in"- go check the height and weight of the boys.

"They were taking a call rom a neighbor that reported a possible breaking and entering." there has been a FOIA to METCAD. No call was made to dispatch.

"Today's 15 year olds regardless of color are not the same as they were 20 years ago. 15 year olds back when I was 15 were not always the easiest to deal with but if anything, there was a fearful respect for authority. Now, there is no fear. 15 years olds committing violent crimes is commonplace. Just pick up todays paper or read the news on the internet. They just cannot be considered "little boys" anymore."

Thank you for providing the stereotype that justifies killing black males. I'm sure it was something like this that rattled through R.T. Finney's mind when he was being told by the boys they stayed at the house.

providing the stereotype that justifies killing black males?

Nowhere is this stereotyping anything. Todays teenagers in general in is what I said. As for the height and weight, I have a friend that is 5 foot 4 and weights 145 lbs and a brother in law that is 5 foot 3 and 135 lbs. Both are over 40. My only mistake was not stating "not all but many 15 year olds". My boys are over 15 now. One is 16 and one is 21. So I can claim to know how some 15 year olds act. My kids (all 4 of them) were taught to respect authority or accept the consequences since they were old enough to comprehend the words No and STOP. Many, not all but many teenagers are not taught that. They feel they are entitled. Sorry but that is not how it works. Regardless of color, orders from a police officer must be obeyed. Doesn't matter how we feel about them, they must be obeyed. Whether they orders were right or wrong would have been settled later. To resist gives them cause to believe you are in the wrong.

As for the FOIA, I have not seen where any info has been released as of yet. If you can show me otherwise, I would appreciate it. I do not believe any ifo will be released until the investigation is complete.

Don't Deny a Stereotype When You're Feeding a Stereotype

You stop by to tell us how YOU raised your boys. OK, i'll grant you that you probably know that much.

Then, along with a bunch of others, you bring up the whole "don't make any judgments about what happened until the results of the investigation are released."

Fair enough.

Then comes the WHOPPER.

"Many, not all but many teenagers are not taught that. They feel they are entitled. Sorry but that is not how it works. Regardless of color, orders from a police officer must be obeyed. Doesn't matter how we feel about them, they must be obeyed. Whether they orders were right or wrong would have been settled later. To resist gives them cause to believe you are in the wrong."

I think you don't know crap about other people's kids and you don't know crap about cops.

HOW do YOU know that the kids weren't polite, that they tried to respond to the officers, that the cops instead chose to ridiculously escalate the situation, just because they could, not because there was any cause at that point for the cops to do so?

There is not proof either way, from what I can see and -- if you really WANT to be fair -- you would NOT be jumping up and down on Kiwane's dead body, verbally beating him now that the cops are done with him.

Not at least until the INVESTIGATION IS OVER.

Of course, some people automatically take the side of the cops, investigation or no investigation. You ought to at least be fair enough to come right out and say so, instead of being an f-n hypocrite about it.

Proud to Live in a Country Where the Police Regularly Kill?

Ask most Americans if they would be proud to live in a country where the police are known to kill and they would say, "Of course not! That's crazy!"

Mention that the country you're talking about is the United States, they'll accuse you of being unpatriotic.

Sorry, those are just the facts.

In fact, we need more patriots that are proud enough of this country to want to work to put an end to this and other national embarrassments. Oh, we've got plenty who are willing to slap a flag decal on their car, but finding ones willing to do the unpopular work that it takes to put a stop to tragic actions that shame our nation? That's something that really raises the bar. It's also, as the man just said, when you find out who the hypocrites are.

really

kiwanne once showed me crack.no joke.

Dallas

I saw him on the Grassy Knoll right before JFK's limo got there. no joke, either.

Faking On the Moon

I saw kiwanne in the background of that fake moon landing that NASA tried to foist on us in 1969. no kidding at all.

Falsified Police Reports

The major f---'in problem here is that assumptions that Kiwane and the surviving youth disobeyed police orders by "charging them" as wdws and the news-gazette are so willing to report, the state's attorney filed in a court of law, IS A REPORT BASED ON WHAT THE POSSIBLE DEFENDANTS ARE SAYING, (i.e. Finney and Norbits). 

Since when you would debate a event that happened based on what the accused has to say? Finney and Norbits are not "objective" parties. The story is likely faked, and we know that because a stopped burglary doesn't end with police bashing in the door and ransacking the house. The story of charging youth is totally discredited by a department that tried to make it look like something else with their attempt to make it look like the house was already intruded upon. C'mon, you've got to see the whole day, and know that the size of the little kid left surviving doesn't add up to a dislocated shoulder, sprained knee, and those cuts onto Finney's body. And the kid suffered no injuries? (Troy Daniels, Oct. 13 News-Gazette, pg. A-2) Please. 

I know we don't want to believe our "good cops" are liars and bullies, but the story doesn't add up. Deal with it. 

No recording of phone call

According to Rene Dunn, Finney's mouthpice, there was no recording of the phone call on Oct. 9 reporting a burglary at 906 W. Vine St.

She said the call came to the police station, which does not record its phone calls.

The call did not go to METCAD, where 9-11 calls go and which are recorded.

BD

Finney

Did Finney hurt his shoulder breaking down the door ask the boy.

i too have wondered

i too have wondered this....maybe they know they were in the wrong...nd have no eveidence..even the person of the house says they werent breaken in..he should be let go

 

sincerely

 

Lisa - Online

Was it worth the shot?

Was is worth shooting a 15 year old boy who went to my school? Was is it worth to harm others by this? How do we know if he was robbing? I heard two different strories, i am friends with his cousin. It hurts me to see his name on people's shirts around shcool. I heard it wasn't a robery that it was just him getting somthing. You never know the truth unless you see it....that's what i say. So don't believe till you know you have the evidence. :(

 

Rest in Peace Kiwane! <3

 sad that kiwane died but

 sad that kiwane died but that men  kno dat he kill him on  purose i hate police if kiwane was whit he was be here rip kiwane.

Abuse of Power.

Here's just one more example of police officers abusing their power.  Simply put, people become police officers because it is the easiest way to acquire power with no education.  They do not have the intelligence or dedication to do anything more significant with their lives.  It is infuriating to see time after time, officers of the law who are supposed to be protecting the public, harm the very people they are sworn to defend.  Sadly, there is no immediately apparent solution to this problem.  The fact that there is little to no education required to become a police officer ensures that ignorant people who crave power over others will continue to seek these positions, and ultimately harm the public.  Thank you so much cops, for making the world a safer place.  You have once again proved to us that you are, for the most part, a negative force in our community, and you cause more suffering than you relieve.

My heart goes out to the family and friends of Mr. Carrington.  Champaign cops: my middle finger goes up to you.  I spit in your general direction.  You are a disgrace to society.  I am ashamed of you.

What Happened to "Division of Power"?

I have to agree that there is an issue with individuals who appear to be clearly unqualified for their positions remaining on duty -- and this is not only Officer Norbits.

But the supposed beauty of the American system of government is what is known as "division of power." Look it up.

It is something right out of Political Science 100. Yet when you look at the record of local government in Champaign County, again and again when it comes to law enforcement, what you see is the rubber stamp. The police can do virtually no wrong.

Is this good for the police?

No, it is not.

It might be good for individual police.

It might be good for the those who represent local police.

It might be good for those who want the political support of local police.

It might be good for those who believe that the public think that "support the troops" is all that the public expects from law enforcement.

It might be what the current state's attorney thinks will get her re-elected.

But it's a very, very bad idea when it comes to justice.

What people have seen repeatedly, even before the current state's attorney came into office, even before the current case at issue here, is that a culture of impunity exists in Champaign County.

Basically, nothing illegal that an officer of the law does will result in any sort of substantive charges.

Maybe the loss of one's job. Maybe.

But one can apparently get away with assault. Torture. Rape. Murder.

All without the kind of charges an ordinary citizen would face if caught up in the same circumstances.

In this case, any fool who owns a Glock can tell you, don't EVER put your finger inside the trigger guard UNLESS YOU INTEND TO FIRE THE WEAPON!

PERIOD.

To do otherwise is very clearly a reckless act. Look it up. The evidence is out there and documented over and over again.

To do so when pushing someone around, WHATEVER THE CIRCUMSTANCES, IS CLEARLY AND UNEQUIVOCABLY A RECKLESS ACT.

But apparently not reckless homicide in the eyes of Ms. Reitz if you are a officer of the law in Champaign County.

In such a case, you simply get a GET OUT of JAIL FREE Card.

Have a Nice Day.

Your post make very little

Your post make very little sense. The CPD has gotten away with rape, torture, muder and assault??? When? What does the CPD supporting our troops have to do with the Carrington shooting?  The black community needs to stop blaming everyone else for the shape it is in. Take responsibility for your children and there actions. Guide them, mold them into productive members of society, teach them right from wrong. If you do not do this and their futures' are bleak or worse cut short, you have no one to blame but yourselves. The events that occured were tragic but avoidable. If the 2 young men would have simply complied with the lawful order of the police officer, Carrington would still be here today. Proper behavior is proper behavior not black behavior or white behavior. If you behave in a respectful appropriate manner you will be treated with the same. Act like a thug and you will be looked at and treated as a thug.

stop blaming it on the cops! god!

Cutting corners and blaming it on the cops isnt gonna bring himm back. so stop blaming it on eachtoher.

1: COPS aren't racist get the facts straight your probably only saying that because theres noone else to blame but the cops. so shut up! cops have feelings too they loose loved ones too.  EVERYBODY makes mistakes big and small and unfortanetly this was a big one. and you can hate them all you want, but they still protect you. sure a kid was shot. is it sad and shouldnt have happened. yes it is. but really  i mean your all blaming the cops for being racist and other stuff but CUTTING CORNERS AND BLAMING IT ON THE PEOPLE WHO PROTECT YOU wont bring him back or take that night back. im sorry. there human beings too and enough with the racist stuff there not just start teaching your kids to LISTEN to the cops and this wont happen again.  sorry for your loss may the lord be with you

Yeah don't blame the person who killed a kid if he is white .

Everything you said is dumb. I cops are not racist lol . Would you like to read some studies on racial profiling .

***Didn't think it would take this long***

but why were these kids in school/???

actions yield consequence

No matter if on accident, on purpose, if it was mr. Smith in the kitchen with a wooden spoon, whatever excuse you use to try to justify it. What happened, happened. For every action there is a reaction or a consequence and a man who is supposed to protect and serve failed to police himself. I realize everyone makes mistakes. There are plenty people locked up doing fed time that will never see the outside because of a mistake. A life is nothing to play with, and his death is being taken in vein over a "accidental" plea.

Take it from a North Champaign resident

I've lived in North Champaign for 30+ years & trust me THIS WASN'T AN ACCIDENT.These nazi pigs look out for each other; only a gullable fool would beleive those forensic tests. Living on Bradley Avenue: I've been stopped on many occassions & checked for warrants, harassed by officers flashing those rearview light beams & have been given the stare down (some of these dumb f*ck even make the random 180 turn in the middle of the street). Police officers over there are very corrupt bigots & have an agenda to make an arrest by any means. I'm not naive about the criminal activity that's occuring over there, however residents in Bradley McKinley & Garden Hills need to express concerns about having REAL law enforcement over there! not f*cking idiots like R.T Finney or that prick officer Olmstead.

 

Olmstead if you ever get this message...I hope you have to make a visitation to the hospital again f*cking pr*ck

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