Adding Insult to Injury: State’s Attorney Releases Medical Records of “Toto” Kaiyewu
On Monday, June 1, 2009, local press received a 320-page report on the police killing of “Toto” Kaiyewu which included medical and mental health records normally to be kept sealed from the public. Beyond objectively analyzing the facts of the case, this was an attempt of Vermilion County State’s Attorney Randy Brinegar to further discredit Kaiyewu and justify his killing by police on April 6.
At a press conference held last week, Brinegar said he would not release the medical records. An audio recording of his comments can be heard here:
http://ucimc.org/content/states-attorney-brinegar-and-vermilion-county-p...
I spoke on the phone with Brinegar and questioned him about his change of decision. He admitted to earlier promising to not release medical records. He said he changed his mind after comments made to the media by Abbey Kaiyewu, Toto’s mother. Yet he admitted he had not spoken with the Kaiyewu family to gain their permission before releasing the medical reports.
Despite claims by local authorities that this case should not be tried in the media, this is precisely what Brinegar has done. These documents―released two months after the incident―were given to the media before anyone else. The Kaiyewu family or their attorney Jan Susler still have not received the documents. That Brinegar did not have the courtesy to provide this information to the family before the media reveals his intentions to sway public opinion in favor of the police account of what happened that tragic night.
Of course, there is a conflict of interest in the Vermilion County State’s Attorney investigating this case in which the Vermilion County Sheriff’s Department was involved. Brinegar has a working relationship with the local Sheriff’s Department, relies on Deputies to testify in cases he is prosecuting, and requires their cooperation. Charges against police could potentially threaten this otherwise harmonious relationship.
The narrative constructed by the local authorities about Toto Kaiyewu is of a crazed lunatic wielding a machete who the police had no other option but to gun down. The release of his medical records is an attempt to further cement this account. It has been reiterated by the local media, eager to get the scoop in this story, without a critical murmur.
When I spoke to Brinegar, he promised to also provide the Public i, newspaper of the Urbana-Champaign Independent Media Center, with the full 320-page report.
The message this sends to the community is clear. This could happen to anybody―a friend or a family member―and the police are more quick to protect themselves than to provide a clear and forthright explanation.
Local community groups led by Champaign-Urbana Citizens for Peace and Justice are calling for police to release their written policies regarding the use of force in this and related incidents.
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Let me make sure I have this
Let me make sure I have this right. You demanded information from the very beginning. The complaint was that no informaiton was being put out by the Illinois State Police.
Now, the ENTIRE report was released to the public. Your gripe now is that too much information has been put out for the public to see. If you want the truth, you have to accept all of it. Not just the parts you find convienent...I am sorry the man is dead but if he had some mental health issues, that piece of information should be released to the public to explain his behavior.
Is it too much to ask the
Is it too much to ask the State's Atty to keep his word? BD
Are you kidding me!!!
Of course he wants to gripe about too much information being released now. All of the information BD "reported" on before with no facts to back it up - now prove to be WRONG based upon everything the public now knows. He doesn't like it when people with a view opposite of his actually have evidence to back it up. AND isn't it shocking now that we are going to go the "conflict of interest" route with th SA's Office!!! He's got to sling mud somewhere - never in the history of our state has an investigation ever been done properly or ethically......unless of course the results support BD's original opinion. Give me a break!!!!
no right to privacy here
Your right to privacy ends when you die. Your parents have no special right to access your medical records or to prevent their release.
In this case the medical records are relevant to a potential criminal and civil case against the police, and there is an undeniable public interest in this matter. You would certainly want the autopsy report made public, so why not medical evidence that he was unstable?
I find it reprehensible that
I find it reprehensible that private medical records were not only discussed, but quoted verbatim in the newspaper. Not just the words of the doctor but the words of the patient were quoted. Is this legal? I know it's certainly not ethical or moral. If this information was pertinent to the investigation of the death and/or subsequent civil or criminal filings, then it could be handled under seal within the court system. But to print this in the paper defies common decency.
Think about it. If you talk privately with your doctor but get killed the next day, do you want your words published in the paper? What about your spouse or your kids, do you want them to read your private utterances after you die?
Unbelievable.
To demand detail and then
To demand detail and then criticize the messeager for providing exactly what the parents and this group wanted is reprehensible. Over and over again allegations were made that this young man was just a normal medical student with no history of mental illness. Now, it comes out that it might not have been true, and you complain about the privacy. Lordy, lordy.
Stepping Back from the Immorality of Blaming the Victim
It’s not at all helpful for the anon-snipers to show up grinding their teeth if all you do is miss the point. And the point here is the way in which records – of the incident, the policies on use of force, and Toto’s medical records – are being manipulated by public authorities. At the very least, if Toto’s parents did not previously have access to his medical records, common decency demands that they should have been given the records before they were made public. Of course, expecting common decency from public officials in Illinois is a pretty high bar, compared with how they in fact operate.
What’s most stunning is that Illinois police have made zero progress in how they handle incidents involving the mentally ill. One the reasons UC IMC is here now is because the Champaign police killed a mentally ill person almost a decade ago and the local media seemed more interested in covering for the police and helping them make excuses for what happened. This was another incident where there were many police on the scene and they and their command authorities seem clueless about the fact that there are options other than killing someone.
And then we see the same sad outcome where a few argue these killings are justifiable because the victim was mentally ill. That is a pathetic position to take and says far more about the degraded sense of morality of those making such an argument than it does about Toto and any other mentally ill person who is injured or killed when they come in contact with the police.
In fact, I suspected that there was more to this story from the beginning. I also suspected that when the truth came out, it would not reflect well on the police. Now there are a few people crawling out from under a bridge, claiming that the medical records somehow exonerate the police and justify their use of force. In reality, the records are another damning indicator that the police failed to consider other options. The repeated incidences where this happens indicate failures of leadership and training. Whatever the details here, it is reprehensible that there seems to be no accountability on the part of law enforcement and no one in government who seems to care. Sadly, this is par for the course in Illinois for politicians and police.
Right.
"What’s most stunning is that Illinois police have made zero
progress in how they handle incidents involving the mentally ill."
K. Well, just out of curiosity, how were the police supposed to KNOW he was mentally ill, and not just high on PCP or crack or just an angry, raging killer? Should he have had some sort of brand on him, so the officers would know? What's your suggestion?
"And then we see the same sad outcome where a few argue these
killings are justifiable because the victim was mentally ill"
Really? Who? Who said it's justifiable to kill someone because he was mentally ill? I'd love to see it.
What people WERE saying was something like "Why would a guy without a record or any real reason run from the police, and then start swinging a machete around?". Now they have an answer. THAT'S why the mental illness thing is relevant.
"In fact, I suspected that there was more to this story from
the beginning. I also suspected that when the truth came out, it would not
reflect well on the police."
I'm sure you did suspect that. You're an IMCista. If a police officer petted a cat, you'd suspect there was more to the story, and that when the truth came out, it would reflect poorly on the officer. It's no big deal. You people are actually very comforting in your utter predictability. But here's what I find interesting. You say that like you were somehow proven RIGHT. Like there WAS more to the story. Where do you see this? The story was, this guy ran from the cops, started flashing a machete, and got shot. Turns out that that's pretty much exactly what happened. What "more to the story" do you think was discovered? What doesn't reflect well on the police?
"In reality, the records are another damning
indicator that the police failed to consider other options"
True. They probably didn't consider standing there and getting hacked to pieces. I'm sure you consider that to be a shame, but legally, police officers are allowed to defend their lives just as much as any other person. They also probably didn't consider the option of just letting him go, so he can hack up some innocent bystanders instead. Keep in mind that when someone is willing to threaten cops with a machete, there's a pretty good chance he's willing to use it on OTHER people too. It's too bad the guy died, but really, it would've been worse if the cops hadn't done anything, and he'd managed to hurt some innocent person.
"This was another incident
"This was another incident where there were many police on
the scene and they and their command authorities seem clueless about the fact
that there are options other than killing someone."
Use of force is dictated by the situation and the threat. A large knife in the hands of someone who has demonstrated a concious and physical pattern of non-compliance is a "deadly force" situation, and the officers on scene responded with deadly force once their own lives were in danger. It is exactly what they are trained to do. Don't forget, the officers on scene DID attempt to use another "option", one that is considerably less lethal than a bullet: the Taser. As everyone knows, those methods were ineffective for any number of reasons.
"I also suspected that when the truth came out, it would not
reflect well on the police."
A simple matter of opinion. There are a lot of people who feel that the full details of the story exonerated the actions taken by law enforcement that night, despite the nasty and rushed words written about them and their alleged brutality and/or racial profiling.
No Helpful Suggestions
What were the police supposed to do this situation? As Toto is swinging the machete, were they to stop and think that this could be one of those times when the suspect is mentally ill, is he on drugs, is he just an average citizen having a bad day, is he just a creep? Lets decide that yes, he is mentally ill - what were they do? Should they have let a mentally ill, machete swinging man, with a vehicle take off and carry on his way?? He was CLEARLY on his way somwhere to do violence to someone, but he's mentally ill so let him go?
Do you think that the officers involved in this want to know the rest of their lives that they killed a young man? That is something that will haunt them forever. They followed the proper protocol but everyone wants to slam them for handling the situation the way they were trained. I have yet to see a reasonable suggestion on what the officers were SUPPOSED to do. Everyone just wants to slam them for what they did and call them racist.
This kind of talk is not going to change how things are handled in the future. If there is a better way to handle a situation such as this, then perhaps someone could suggest something and try to HELP officers in the future. If the officers would have just let him go on his way in this situation, and Toto would have pulled off whatever he was intending to do with all of the knives, then we would be right back on here slamming the officers for what they failed to do to prevent the situation from happening.
How about some productive discussions here without calling names and pointing fingers??
Nightwatch has all the
Nightwatch has all the answers for the police. Just ask him. Come on Nightwatch, shoot the knife out of his hands, taser, pepper mace, talk him down... Give me one of those patient TV drama solutions; if the police had better training to recognize mental illness then all would be well. I suspect they did recognize that he was mentally ill, but then the next step is what do you do with him when he attacks you. Of course, Nightwatch will provide a terse attack on everyone who believes that the police might have done all they could have given the tools provided to them at that time. In fact, he will as always, compare this case with a case of a man fighting with the police who had a heart attack. But of course, he didnt believe that either. Sad to live in your world, in fact if I did, I too would shrink to the night and become NIGHTWATCH.
Far More Questions Than Answers - That Bother You?
A writer always knows he’s getting to the truth when those who attack him feel obliged to resort to personal insults.
No, I never claimed to have all the answers.
It’s curious that you claim I have “all the answers,” while at the same time you insist that there’s ONLY ONE answer.
And what answer is that?
You argue that the police couldn’t possibly have done anything, nothing, zip, no other options, nada, vast emptiness, absolutely couldn’t have done a single other F-ing-thing else that sad, fatal night. Your argument extends to them being cleared of blame by the Vermilion County state’s attorney and that your cheap and pathetic tirade should anyone who dares raise any other issues.
If you say there can only be one answer, then I don’t even see why the Vermilion County SA bothered – except for public relations purposes.
I don’t pretend to have the answers to why so many cops shoot down so many black kids, black teens, black men, even other, black cops. I do think it’s worth asking the questions, until it no longer happens. I think that hard questions sometimes cut to close to the truth for someone who insists there are no good questions and only one good answer.
Perhaps we need to re-evaluate deinstitutionalization of the mentally ill versus the empirical fact of having too many trigger-happy cops, even if this situation seems entirely normal to you?
Maybe the mentally ill would be better off locked up to protect them from the police?
Just because someone’s mentally ill and afraid of the police doesn’t mean that their mental problem is paranoia. Just because someone who is African-American is afraid of the police doesn’t make them a criminal, either.
What black parents feel compelled to teach their sons and daughters to fear the police
Maybe that’s why Toto’s parents were so uncomprehending of the fate of their son? Maybe that’s why they’re very concerned to find out that “shoot to kill” is the only option in someone’s “protocols”?
Sure, it’s hell to live with killing someone. It’s probably even worse thinking through what the alternatives could have been. It would seem that info like that would be at least as useful as info as to excuses why there is only one answer to the events of that night in the eyes of some.
But some only want to declare there is nothing to see here, move along. Prepare to see a lot more police having to deal with the idea that there is no alternative to them just pretending everything was OK, because it says so in the manual.
Here is the big question for society beyond that.
Does our society really want to accept that the police will sort out the mentally ill among us at gunpoint --- or worse?
What is the reason why some states send a relatively large number of fatal police encounters to grand juries to decide, while Illinois seems to avoid that?
Surely the police can’t rely on Illinois politicians to model their own behavior?
Sadly that appears to be true. Even the News-Gazette recently noted that the ISP is “a politicized law enforcement agency that refused to try to right a grievous wrong.”
Why do so-called defenders of the police want to make it sound like this is all old news, just move along now?
Why do people refuse to see the suffering of others when they are so focused on making sure a “heroic” whitewash stays in place?
That’s between you and your conscience. I don’t have the answer.
Maybe while you're at it you
Maybe while you're at it you could also pretend to not have the answer as to why black kids, teens and men shoot each other down in what would almost be considered an epidemic fashion. Especially when compared to how often the police do it. Or you could just continue to try to sensationalize something that doesn't happen nearly as often as you'd like to make everyone believe it does.
Uhh...
"Just because someone who is African-American is afraid of the police doesn’t make them a criminal, either."
You're absolutely right. Swinging a machete around makes them a criminal. Thanks for playing!
Two Telling Admissions
It's pretty telling when blind defenders of the police choose to use blatantly racist arguments.
Then they ask citizens to believe that the police should also be trusted to be judge jury, and executioner -- especially in Illinois.
What's really sad is that resorting to such logic tarnishes the reputation of good cops and undermines our legal system.
What's absolutely pathetic is asking people to believe that the best way -- or even the only way -- of dealing with the mentally disturbed is just to shoot them.
Nice try.
You know, it's awfully easy to call someone a racist. You're a racist. Brian Dolinar is a racist. Nightwatch is a racist. See how easy that was?
What's a lot harder is actually doing it in a way that makes sense. Go ahead. If you think I'm "blatantly racist", then explain to me where I'm wrong. Is it not, in fact, against the law to swing a machete at someone? That makes it a crime, right? So, (try to follow the logic here), if a person swings a machete at someone, he's committing a crime. Which makes him a criminal. What's so hard about that? If a black person swings a machete at someone, it makes him a criminal. If a white person swings a machete at someone, it makes him a criminal. Ditto Asian-Americans, Native Americans, Pacific Islanders, what have you. So where's the racism in that comment?
See, you guys really need to cut it out with the baseless allegations of racism. You're like the boy who cried racism. Nobody cares anymore when an IMC person calls them a racist, because they know it's just what people here DO. Especially when they don't have anything intelligent to say.
So anyway.
"Then they ask citizens to believe that the police should also be trusted to be judge jury, and executioner -- especially in Illinois."
Well, not really. I DO think they should be allowed to defend themselves against people who swing machetes at them. Just like everyone else. If someone swung a machete at YOU, I'd say you should be allowed to shoot him to protect yourself. And you probably wouldn't have even caught the whole thing on camera, like the police did.
"What's absolutely pathetic is asking people to believe that the best way -- or even the only way -- of dealing with the mentally disturbed is just to shoot them."
You know, it's interesting. NOBODY ever said this! Nothing like it! You're just making stuff up now. People might think that the best way to defend yourself and the public against a guy with a machete is to shoot him. That's completely different, and you know it (and I've yet to hear any better suggestions from the likes of you, while we're on the subject). Show me somewhere, ANYWHERE, where anyone said that the police should just round up all the people with mental illnesses and shoot them. Show me where someone says the police should just enter the psychiatric wing of Carle and just shoot up the place.
I know intelligence may be a bit much to ask for around here, but at LEAST you could be intellectually honest.
Wow.
"A writer always knows he’s getting to the truth when those who attack him feel obliged to resort to personal insults."
True. That's why I always like it when people around here call me "pathetic" and "racist".
"You argue that the police couldn’t possibly have done anything, nothing, zip, no other options, nada, vast emptiness, absolutely couldn’t have done a single other F-ing-thing else that sad, fatal night."
Well, that's actually not true. It's been pointed out that they tried talking to him. Didn't work. They tried shooting him with a taser. Didn't work. So right there are two other options. They tried them. They didn't work. Until the police are equipped with magic lassos like the kind Wonder Woman has, I really don't know what else they have in their arsenal to deal with guys swinging machetes around. Neither do you. And yet, you INSIST that there simply MUST have been something else. Why? What makes you so sure, if you and the brain trust around here can't think of it? It wouldn't have anything to do with you just automatically assuming the police are always in the wrong, would it?
Now, personally, I think it would be great if the police were issued more less-lethal weapons. After what they went through when they were getting tasers, and all the weeping and gnashing of teeth about it that came from IMC types, I'm sure they're not too eager to go through that process again.
"I don’t pretend to have the answers to why so many cops shoot down so many black kids, black teens, black men, even other, black cops. I do think it’s worth asking the questions, until it no longer happens."
That's a little like asking why there are so many polar bear attacks this year. It assumes that there actually ARE a lot of polar bear attacks.
Where did you get the idea that cops shoot down "so many" black people? The last one I remember here in town is Donnell Clemons. And he shot the cops first. There were nine first-degree murders in Champaign last year and 490 aggravated batteries. Compared to HOW many shootings from the police?
Really, this stuff is sort of like shark attacks, plane crashes, terrorist bombings, stuff like that. A LOT of people are scared of things that really don't make much sense. Like, if you sat down and ASKED people, they could tell you. They realize that they're about a million times more likely to die in a car accident then a plane crash. But here's the thing. When people die in car accidents, it's on the news for one night and then everyone forgets about it. Plane crashes, shark attacks, and stuff like that are in the news for weeks at a time. Precisely BECAUSE they're so rare. But all the media attention makes people focus on it more.
So. Let's take a look at the city of Chicago. From 1997 to 2007 there were 100 people killed by the police. In that same time period, there were 6449 homicides in the city of Chicago. Meaning that, of all the people killed in the city, about 1.5% of them were killed by the police.
Homicide is one of the leading causes of death among black men. But guess what? It's not the cops killing all of them. Worrying about getting killed by the police is a little like worrying about shark attacks, when you're much more likely to get killed driving to the beach. But oh well.
Though I suppose it's possible you actually want an answer to your question about why people get shot by the police, and aren't just being rhetorical. Well, based on the police shootings that have happened here in the last couple of years, it's apparently because they start violent conflicts with police officers.
Was that a trick question?
"Perhaps we need to re-evaluate deinstitutionalization of the mentally ill versus the empirical fact of having too many trigger-happy cops, even if this situation seems entirely normal to you?"
That would be an interesting discussion, I suppose. I completely irrelevant one, since Kaiyewu was never in an institution in the first place, but interesting. Of course, since the vast majority of mentally ill people are non-violent, they don't start violent confrontations with the police, and therefore don't get shot in self-defense.
Show me the last time a mentally ill person who wasn't behaving violently or confrontationally got shot by the police. Count up all the times it's happened in the last, say, ten years. Then compare and contrast this with the simply huge number of mentally ill people who AREN'T harassed by the cops.
"Just because someone’s mentally ill and afraid of the police doesn’t mean that their mental problem is paranoia."
I guess that's true. Reporting hallucinations and feelings of paranoia to your psychiatrist is probably a good hint, though. What this has to do with anything, I'm not sure, but you seemed to think it was worth bringing up. May I ask why?
"Does our society really want to accept that the police will sort out the mentally ill among us at gunpoint --- or worse?"
You really need to stop pretending that anyone thinks this. You're just lying. NOBODY thinks the police should just shoot down mentally ill people. Get it through your head! What people think is that the police should be able to defend themselves and the public from guys who threaten people with machetes. Huge difference! I know you're trying to make a point, but there's really no excuse for dishonesty to do it.
"Why do people refuse to see the suffering of others when they are so focused on making sure a “heroic” whitewash stays in place?"
Exactly what "whitewash" are you talking about? The one where the police recorded everything on video, and then released all the videos of the incident, the surveillance videos of him buying the machete, as well as their three-hundred-page report? That whitewash?
Boy. They just don't make whitewashes like they used to.
Toto never attempted to harm
Toto never attempted to harm anyone prior to his confrontation
with the police. Various acquaintances and authorities described
him as polite and mild-mannered. This makes me wonder what
the police did to tick him off? Or was this just their bad luck? It seems, these days, that more than a few routine traffic stops end in tragedy. In particular, the mentally ill seem to fair badly with the police.
The mere fact that Toto was taking medication for Attention Deficit
Disorder and anxiety doesn't mean anything. Millions of people
(and children) take prescription medications for psychiatric
disorders -- it's almost become a fad. The vast majority of them
never have violent confrontations with the police.
More disturbing is the presence of knives and a machete in Toto's
car, and his rather odd comments and behavior (like stopping in
the middle of the road for no obvious reason). This could be an
indication that he was having a potentially dangerous nervous
breakdown. I'm assuming here that the information that has been
presented by the police and the News-Gazette is accurate. His
problems in medical school could have aggravated his psychiatric
problems, making him more likely to over-react to stressful events.
As for the state's attorney, he clearly violated his word to keep
Toto's medical records confidential. Such behavior reflects poorly on
his trustworthiness.
Still waiting for documents
After a week of not receiving the documents in the mail, I called Vermilion County State's Attorney Brinegar's office only to find out they never sent me the documents - this after I spoke to Brinegar himself over the phone, gave him my address, and he agreed to send them to me.
Sometimes even I overestimate the professionalism of the local authorities.
BD
Jesus.
So first you complain that they give the documents to the real newspaper. Now you're complaining that they haven't gotten them to you fast enough.
Sometimes I oversestimate... well... just about everything on this site.
We have the documents,
We have the documents.
BD
one other non-deadly-force method they tried
This wasn't a quick-draw scenario. Before the police shoot you, they generally draw their weapons and say things along the lines of "drop the machette NOW or you will be shot." Sane people drop the machette. Dangerously crazy people get shot.
`You don't really know me'
By Leonard Pitts Jr.
I am your scapegoat. I am your boogeyman. Brown-skinned, kinky-haired, black man, me.So I was not surprised (it was just another day at the office) last week when a white woman from suburban Philadelphia called police from her cellphone, claiming she had been locked in the trunk of a Cadillac by two black men. Nor was I shocked (it was just another day in the life) when police said Bonnie Sweeten was actually holed up in a luxury hotel at Walt Disney World, and there never was a kidnapping, much less by two black men.
I'm your scapegoat. I'm your boogeyman. So I'm used to these things.
In fact, they happen often. Happened just a few months ago when that John McCain campaign worker said she was robbed by a burly black man who carved a ''B'' into her face . . . as in ''Barack,'' get it? Turned out she carved the letter herself, then blamed a black man. Just as Charles Stuart did when he killed his wife in 1989. Just as Tanya Dacri did when she dismembered her 7-week-old son that same year. Just as Susan Smith did when she rolled her car, her two boys inside, into a lake in 1994.
University of Florida law professor Katheryn Russell-Brown, author of The Color of Crime, has documented 92 such incidents between 1987 and 2006. She cautions that white men are sometimes victims of racial hoaxes: witness the cases of Tawana Brawley and the Duke lacrosse team.
But she says the overwhelming majority of the time -- 67 percent, to be exact -- it is the other way around: white liars blaming black men for things that did not happen. Russell-Brown is particularly intrigued that Sweeten identified her supposed kidnappers as driving a Cadillac. That fits a pattern, she says. ``When it's someone white alleging they've been harmed by someone African American, there are these fantastic racially laden stereotypes that are used. Whether it's dreadlocks, or smell, or big and burly. This fits right in, the Cadillac.''
Naturally. Because I'm your scapegoat, your boogeyman. Cadillac drivin', pimp-walkin', white woman-lustin', me.
I am the shape and size and sound of your fears. You know me on sight, know me before you know my name, know me before I even stick out my hand and say Hi. You know I have no feelings beyond your perception of me, no thought beyond what you impute to me, no purpose beyond your fear of me. I live in the shadow of your consciousness, do not exist outside of you.
But can you imagine if I did? Boy, can you imagine the ache and anger if I did?
It's a good thing I don't, a good thing I am only what I am: scapegoat, boogeyman, the car window you roll up, the door you lock, the ATM you avoid, the crime statistics you glance right by because they try to tell you I'm not what you think I am, didn't do what you thought I did.
Hell, you don't need some researcher's ''statistics'' to know about me. We've known each other for years. Dozens of years, hundreds of years. Remember when you denied me a job, then called me a thief? Remember when you blew up my school then called me ignorant? Remember when you killed my father, then complained I was filled with rage?
No, you're right. There's no point in remembering that. Why should you remember a past that makes you uncomfortable? Why do I even need a past, existing as I do only within the confines of your awareness? All we have -- or need -- is the now. And in the now, Bonnie Sweeten has been exposed and she'll face the law and that's all we can really ask, isn't it? There's no point in digging deeper, no purpose served in wondering why, when she wanted to put a face to a crime, she chose mine.
We already know. I'm your scapegoat, I'm your boogeyman. And I have no feelings beyond those you give me.
But can you imagine if I did?
© 2009 Miami Herald Media Company
http://www.miamiherald.com
Uh huh.
This would almost make a little bit of sense to post if they hadn't, you know, caught Kaiyewu on tape, lunging at police officers with a machete. Since they did, I really have no idea what you think your point is.
people responsible
The people really responsible for this is his school. They were the ones that were giving him problems after problems. If you didnt do things their way, the school will take you down. They dont care for anyone else.. I think the case needs to be re-evaluated in what contributed to his actions drastically changing from before he enterered Windsor and what happened to him after he was finishing up the program. Here are the people that need to get questioned about Toto's academic hardship at windsor and questioned program that he was dismissed after his death.
Srinivas Gaddam-royal technical consultants and windsor university, bollywood campus, royal plaza inn, crown jewel bar, monee, illinois
Srinivas Chennakesavulu-royal technical consultants, IT consultant, managing director of bollywood campus,
Bjinder Gupta-Academic dean, windsor university, microbiology professor and project 2400 adminstrator
Sunderash-exam controller,
Let me make sure I have this
Let me make sure I have this right...the school needs to be blamed for the actions of this individual and how it turned out? Did they have anything to do with this? I think not...
Well, yeah.
Obviously, the people at his school are at fault. The police are at fault, the gas station clerk is at fault, society is at fault, you and I are at fault. In fact, I think if you really sit down and think about it, the only person in the whole freaking state who we're sure has NO responsibility for what happened that night is the guy wielding the machete.
I thought that went without saying.
people responsible
i know a few more things how the school treated toto, which may of contributed to him going off. The school and its handlers have contributed in more ways than 1. he might of done everything said in the police reports, but the school is responsible in letting a lot of the things happen and contributed for him going crazy.
You know what always bugs me?
When people come around and tell you that you're missing the truly important part of some discussion. They tell you that they know something of utmost importance, but then don't go on to tell you what it is.
So what is it? What do you know? What did the school do to Kaiyewu to make him start swinging machetes around?
And was Kaiyewu singled out? Or do a lot of the school's students go on to become machete-wielders?
People responsible
I would like to talk to you and would like to find out more about this. I know exactly what you are saying about the school.
I know scores of people who have similar stories. They have not exhibted symptoms to that extent. How can we communcate.
please send an email factsaboutwindsor@gmail.com
Thanks
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